[LM24] La Sarthe/Arnage Track and Other Changes

[vincegail]

Cue Hermann Tilke designed run-off areas in 5 years.....

[Mike E]

Vince, wash your mouth out.

[vincegail]

Just had a sip of Westmalle Tripel

Not saying I wish that to happen, just that I fear it will happen with FIA influence and all that.

[isynge]

Originally Posted by vincegail

Just had a sip of Westmalle Tripel

Not saying I wish that to happen, just that I fear it will happen with FIA influence and all that.

If we end up with vast Tilke run offs I suspect a lot of us will be sitting at home with Westmalle or similar (Brooklyn No 1 did a pretty good job this afternoon) and sticking with old footage...

A lot can be chipped away at - like flattening the hump, reprofiling the run down from Dunlop, or chicanes on Les Hunaudieres, but ultimately there comes a point when it's not the same track anymore.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by vincegail

Cue Hermann Tilke designed run-off areas in 5 years.....

That's almost as bad as saying its going to ra.........

Blimey, now I nearly said it!

[CTD]

Originally Posted by vincegail

Cue Hermann Tilke designed run-off areas in 5 years.....

Originally Posted by Mike E

Vince, wash your mouth out.

Originally Posted by isynge

If we end up with vast Tilke run offs I suspect a lot of us will be sitting at home with Westmalle or similar (Brooklyn No 1 did a pretty good job this afternoon) and sticking with old footage...

A lot can be chipped away at - like flattening the hump, reprofiling the run down from Dunlop, or chicanes on Les Hunaudieres, but ultimately there comes a point when it's not the same track anymore.

THAT name and in a Le Mans thread should be banned! - Unless it's praising ACO for NOT using him.

However agree 100% with you all, and Tom K, Le Mans is Le Mans, a unique racetrack which should remain close to it's spectators.

[Breinig]

I think we shall stay fair.

No one wants to see fatal accidents.

I personally love the TR - specially during qualifying since I first visited in 2000.

But the ACO has to react to the accident last year.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Breinig

I think we shall stay fair.
No one wants to see fatal accidents.
I personally love the TR - specially during qualifying since I first visited in 2000.
But the ACO has to react to the accident last year.

I think we are fair.
And all respect to Allan, his family and the loss they experience. But death is a part of Motorsport, Allan knew this, excepted this, and so did his family, when they told AMR to continue racing.
Freak accidents, which many has agreed Allan's crash was, will always happen.

[isynge]

Originally Posted by CTD

I think we are fair.
And all respect to Allan, his family and the loss they experience. But death is a part of Motorsport, Allan knew this, excepted this, and so did his family, when they told AMR to continue racing.
Freak accidents, which many has agreed Allan's crash was, will always happen.

As Mario Andretti said of death, "sadly, this too is racing".

I think we'd all love to have Allan Simonsen back with us, just like we'd like to have Sebastian Enjolras, Jo Gartner, and Jean-Louis Lafosse back, but if we strip away all of the risk, which we could do pretty readily, I don't think we're left with something we want to be part of.

[Breinig]

In fact I want to see the drivers pushing the cars to the limit, too, want to be as close as possible and for sure there is a risk involved, mainly for the drivers, but also for the spectators.

There were quite a few severe accidents in the recent years, keep in mind Davidson went airborne in the Toyota or McNish's crash. (Maybe one of the reasons he retired)

People had good luck.

To attract the best drivers and manufacturers the ACO has to do all reasonable efforts to reduce risks, whilst maintaining the Le Mans spirit.

Not for the cars - for the drivers, our heroes. And to ensure that manufacturers invest in that event. See Mercedes.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Breinig

In fact I want to see the drivers pushing the cars to the limit, too, want to be as close as possible and for sure there is a risk involved, mainly for the drivers, but also for the spectators.

There were quite a few severe accidents in the recent years, keep in mind Davidson went airborne in the Toyota or McNish's crash. (Maybe one of the reasons he retired)

People had good luck.

To attract the best drivers and manufacturers the ACO has to do all reasonable efforts to reduce risks, whilst maintaining the Le Mans spirit.

Not for the cars - for the drivers, our heroes. And to ensure that manufacturers invest in that event. See Mercedes.

I understand what your saying, and I think we are close to agreeing with each other.
But if we go by the accidents you selected, there really isn't much you can do to the track to give the drivers better chances.
- Davidson in the Toyota was a high speed crash because of a slower and poorly driven GTE AM, the run off area Davidson had was massive and asphalted, Graved would surely made the car flip and roll.
- McNishes was the result of an too brave overtaking maneuver together with poor visibility in the R18. (And I do not think this had anything to do with McNish retiring, he's "old", it was his time, like Tom K, will retire soon)
- The Mercedes flips was because of poor aerodynamics. Again, not much track safety you can do to prevent these.

But until I hear several drivers complain about the lack of safety at Le Mans, I won't support track chances that lessen the Spectator experience.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by isynge

Make Le Mans safer? Yes, absolutely, but by no means take away what its meaning is.

Agreed.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Well, as I was thinking over the 2013 fatality, this is my opinion on the fatality...

#1 most shocking fatality ever than Edwards' fatality.

Shocked the whole world.

Drivers should have gotten out of the car and rescued the driver.

But one of all the drivers never did like that happened in F1.

[Peat]

Originally Posted by TheNo1F1Fan

Drivers should have gotten out of the car and rescued the driver.

You what now?

This isn't the 60's anymore.

[Aysedasi]

The intervention and medical vehicles were on the scene very quickly. Drivers stopping and getting out would probably have caused even more problems.

But this thread isn't (directly) about Allan's dreadful accident. So let's move on.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Peat

You what now?

This isn't the 60's anymore.

The last one that was known happened in 1998 in Japan. The only thing is..."drivers never rescued" and "they never did" was a mistake, now deal with it.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

The intervention and medical vehicles were on the scene very quickly. Drivers stopping and getting out would probably have caused even more problems.

But this thread isn't (directly) about Allan's dreadful accident. So let's move on.

Don't you forgot something? The "drivers never rescued him" and "they never did" was a mistake, it should be "no one has withdrawn from the race due to that the fatality resulted in an enormous shock" and "the race was never red flagged", but no offense. Post edit below.

"#1 most shocking fatality ever than Edwards' fatality"
"Shocked the whole world"
"Race wasn't red flagged"
"No one withdrew"

[Aysedasi]

Fine. I understand where you're coming from (both figuratively and literally). I disagree with you. I'm entitled to do that.

Now, as I said - let's move on.

[GTfour]

Is there any work been done at the moment? Are there any images of this to be found somewhere?

[Gingers4Justice]

Originally Posted by GTfour

Is there any work been done at the moment? Are there any images of this to be found somewhere?

You'd think there would be news of things. It's less than 6 months to the test day...

I can't see TR being modified in time for the race unless work has began already. I think there's going to be a tonne of red tape involved in doing anything to that section of the circuit.

Extending the run off at the start of the Porker curves is no small job either.

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

You'd think there would be news of things. It's less than 6 months to the test day...

I can't see TR being modified in time for the race unless work has began already. I think there's going to be a tonne of red tape involved in doing anything to that section of the circuit.

Extending the run off at the start of the Porker curves is no small job either.

I might agree with you, but I'm not sure which date the construction will start IMO.

[GT6]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

You'd think there would be news of things. It's less than 6 months to the test day...

I can't see TR being modified in time for the race unless work has began already. I think there's going to be a tonne of red tape involved in doing anything to that section of the circuit.

Extending the run off at the start of the Porker curves is no small job either.

The race is actually only 5 months away and the test day closer to 4

[Richard117]

Knowing the French mentality, I think they don't worry. If the job is finished the day before testday, it's ok for them

[TheNo1F1Fan]

Originally Posted by Richard117

Knowing the French mentality, I think they don't worry. If the job is finished the day before testday, it's ok for them

Agreed.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Richard117

Knowing the French mentality, I think they don't worry. If the job is finished the day before testday, it's ok for them

And honestly, what is wrong with that, as long as it's done .

Not that I have any knowledge or experience with setting concrete/asphalt. But isn't there something about it not setting correctly when it's freezing?