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When all is said and done, the IRL could have as many as 21 full-time cars onthe grid, not including the two "wanna-be" drivers, John Herb and Marty Roth.
With Cahill Racing's pending announcement, they will have 18 cars & drivers confirmed. Probables include Buddy Rice and either Sarah Fisher or Jaime Camara in a second D&R seat, plus PJ Chesson with Fernandez....and from what I'm hearing, at least two of those three are Very Likely... |
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CC has many new teams??? Hmmm Star drivers? That's depends on the definition on star drivers, Verstappen might be a big name in Holland and therefore quite important for CC but he's a no namer in the US and therfore not tjat important for the IRL since they are more focusing on the US market where CC tries to concentrate on the international market. I don't see why the new car is such a good thing, yesy they needed it, but so far they have only sold 35 of them which is a bit concerning I would think. The IRL top teams are running old cars? What does the car has to do with the quality of the team? |
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luke mate, total respect for yor views, but still IMHO drivers like Jani and Carroll still have to prove "stars"; they, albeit young interesting drivers, still have have to prove more talented, than say, Dixon, Castroneves, Andretti jr etc
And about IRL having some backmarkers, of course it's true, but it's true for every series in the world, starting from F1 and, obviously as well, including CC. BTW: apart from official quotes, I'm convinced that an European youngster, coming from WSBR/GP2 and going to CC, does it just because he couldn't make it to F1 (even as 3rd driver). CC is IMHO a second choice to all of them, and (I hope I'm wrong, but) I fear that their F1 chances won't be increased by running in CC. Seb's case is very meaningful on this purpose. Last edited by climb; 12 Jan 2007 at 10:03. |
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Both series have their difficulties. I mostly follow Champ Car, because that's what we get on TV here in Sweden - though we did get IRL earlier. About star drivers; for me Wilson is kind of a star simply because I remember watching him in F1. Bourdais definantly. Tracy too. But IRL seems to have more of them with Hornish, Castroneves, Wheldon, Kanaan, Franchitti and Andretti.
Few cars is rarely good. Both series had problems with this in 2006; but Champ Car have an announced plan that seems to be doing something, while I have yet to hear about IRL doing the same. So for now it seems to me that CC have the upper hand, if there is one. The only thing that disturbs me about most CC/IRL battles are the die-hard fans of one of the series; why just don't enjoy both? |
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The only difference between a Champcar Fan and an IRL fan is last time I checked, IRL fans don't go into the Champcar forum spewing crap at every possible oppertunity.
You tell us that we're running old cars? I'm sorry, what was the LOLA? You tell us that you have "all the stars" but you'd kill to get Kanaan, Dario, Scott, Marco and Hornish in your series. You come in here EVERY SINGLE YEAR coming up with these claims of 26 car grids when each year you end up mustering 18 at the most. You tell us that your series is more competitive when ONE MAN has won the series 3 times in a row while we have had 3 different winners. We had six different race winners and you had four this year. We're sick of this allready. |
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Couldn't be more wrong IMHO Hazza. No one hardly post in the IRL Indy Car series board anymore which is a shame, from what I see there is no bashing. There maybe construction critizisium and disagreements, but if you want your bashing, look at the Champ Car forum where un named members daily bash Champ Car and never discuss racing. I hate Tony George, but that doesn't stop from me from enjoying the excitement of oval racing and the Indy 500. |
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We have no action on either OW forum until something remotely inflamatory is posted and more happeneds in two days than in the last month.
Realistically neither OW series is doing much well right now. Both have to spin their success because what else are they going to say? I *think* the writer of that article was meaning to imply that while both series are struggling at least CC has made attempts to change itself to improve. The definition of insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different results. He has a point there. Some of the other stuff like the car count and age of car thing I think are unfair to the IRL (eg. aren't the cars 3-4 years old?). |
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Champ car did have a chassis freeze so they used the old cars for a few years, but that's neither here or there as they have actually done something and built a new car, something the IRL must do for 2008 IMHO else it will be a sinking ship from then on. Where as the CCWS has filled up the leaks and the ship is sailing again. But that's U.S. open wheel racing as it is today. We all want a merge, it has to be done, it probably won't happen, but hey that's life. Last edited by luke; 12 Jan 2007 at 16:47. |
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To do think IndyCar would be stronger if they had drivers such as Carroll, Premat and Jani driving in their series? |
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And at the same time, I think it's sad that everybody is willing to give drivers from GP2 or F3 a change eben though thry don't care aboyt the history of IndyCar racing or the Indy 500, but nobody is wiling to give Barron, Hearn or Gidley a decent change... unter-reay too... |
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