03-04 Rules wishlist - Page 2

Tristan · 19 Sep 2003, 09:46 (Ref:723944)

"*ban all driver aids....
*ban radio!!!"

So then why not just ban the POWER SUPPLY??? There'd be no arguments as to who's "cheating" or whatever. Rather than ban electronics, BAN ELECTRICITY!!

carrera · 19 Sep 2003, 10:07 (Ref:723959)

Remove the mirrors on all cars.

Williamp · 19 Sep 2003, 11:59 (Ref:724098)

At the beginning of the season, give the teams a front wing and a rear wing. With one element...

1 point for fastest lap
1 point for pole

1 pint for the winner (sorry)....

A gearlever, so they have to remove a hand from the wheel.

Allow other manufacturers to supply Chassis for other teams (to increase the grid)

Smokey 6 litre · 19 Sep 2003, 12:09 (Ref:724107)

keep the 1 shot quals,,
give the top 6 on Saturday a second chance shoot out,
Point for Friday pole,
Point for Final pole,
Point for fastest lap,
Point for Minardi,
Ban refueling,
ban all driver aids,
Ban radio,
Ban TGF.

Redblurr · 19 Sep 2003, 15:31 (Ref:724342)

Quote:

Originally posted by Armco Bender
26 Identical spec cars,so we can actually see who the BEST driver.

I have been thinking about this. But the dilema for F1 is that we have a WDC and Constructors Championship. It would be good to see who the best driver is but we know that already - MS.

Spritle · 19 Sep 2003, 16:17 (Ref:724378)

Old style qualifying.

Points 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1

More races!

No launch control.

ljakse · 19 Sep 2003, 16:35 (Ref:724392)

Quote:

Originally posted by Tristan
"*ban all driver aids....
*ban radio!!!"

So then why not just ban the POWER SUPPLY??? There'd be no arguments as to who's "cheating" or whatever. Rather than ban electronics, BAN ELECTRICITY!!

Ban driver aids 'coz they're nothing but that - driver aids - I believe there is enough hi-tech stuff in F1 that driving should be left for drivers. (I'm not saying it would have any influence on who's going to be better)

Ban radio 'coz it would (hopefully) cut down strategic driving and increase pure racing - without a radio, driver doesn't know what's going on more than 5 sec ahead or behind him, he doesn't know if 'the other guy' went for pits, or whatever...

And leave electronics to take care of engine&stuff, but nothing more.

Stevespurr · 19 Sep 2003, 18:02 (Ref:724498)

Fastest lap over the Friday and Saturday not a specified lap or session then if they had a bad lap they could pull it back in another session.

No restrictions on what they can do to the cars (so long as it is safe) Any tyres that they can get made for them no control on them. No money restrictions if you cant afford it you should not be there.

points system stays with extra for pole and fastest lap.

The Other Chris · 20 Sep 2003, 01:11 (Ref:724759)

point system i think should be
11
8
6
5
4
3
2
1 with a bonus point for pole.
They should make friday as a test day and limit all the teams to 20 days or whatever it is the renault etc. get. single lap quals on sat and sunday and the fastest of the two counts as pole. allow refuelling and i think that it would be an exciting year and as a spectator at the track id see a hell of a lot more.

ElScOrChO · 20 Sep 2003, 17:39 (Ref:725111)

Quote:

Originally posted by The Other Chris
point system i think should be
11
8
6
5
4
3
2
1 with a bonus point for pole.
They should make friday as a test day and limit all the teams to 20 days or whatever it is the renault etc. get. single lap quals on sat and sunday and the fastest of the two counts as pole. allow refuelling and i think that it would be an exciting year and as a spectator at the track id see a hell of a lot more.

I like your ideas!
The Other Chris for FIA president!

Liz · 20 Sep 2003, 22:31 (Ref:725258)

Everyone to drive in 1993 cars. Anyone who was actually in Formula One in 1993 ought to be retired by now anyway, but for those few who remain, make them drive in a different car from the one they drove back then. Assign drivers to teams by drawing numbers out of a hat. All drivers paid only on results.

Definition of "Results" points for top 5 finishers only plus -- 2 points for beating your own personal best; 5 points for beating your teammate in a straight fight. +10 at the end of the season for being the most fan friendly, +15 if you actually step out of the paddock to meet fans not chosen in advance, during the race weekend.

MINUS POINTS: -2 for contact with another car on the first two laps; -5 for chopping across the track on the start; -10 for unsportsmanlike conduct for the first offence -- -20 for 2nd offence; 4 race ban for third; fired for anything after that. Team to lose 25 points for filing frivolous protests, and 50 points for team orders except in the final race of the season.

UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT: Ramming another car and claiming you didn't see him; accusing a driver you hit of trying to kill you; claiming a win when you didn't win, then trying to push the REAL winner onto the top step to make people quit booing you; telling your team over the radio to order a driver from another team who is ahead of you but racing for position to move over because you have more points than he has or have a better looking girl friend; or refusing to talk to fans when ordered to do it. Or anything else the Race Stewards' Moms think well brought up children should not do.

Mr V · 21 Sep 2003, 00:03 (Ref:725286)

Bring back slicks (not gonna happen)

Make the fuel tank large enough to last the distance giving teams more options on stratergy or ban re-fuelling full stop.

alfasud · 21 Sep 2003, 03:24 (Ref:725346)

Quote:

Originally posted by Tristan
For me?? A ban on all electrical power sources (batteries, dynamos, solar panels)

You mean diesel engines?

brightline · 21 Sep 2003, 04:45 (Ref:725360)

no launch control or traction control!
Slicks!
limit number of mechanics who can service the car during a pit stop...really how many mechanics does it take to change a tire.
Allow drivers to choose their numbers, who else misses things like number zero on a car?

DriverT · 21 Sep 2003, 09:13 (Ref:725439)

Quote:

Originally posted by Liz
MINUS POINTS: -2 for contact with another car on the first two laps; -5 for chopping across the track on the start; -10 for unsportsmanlike conduct for the first offence -- -20 for 2nd offence; 4 race ban for third; fired for anything after that. Team to lose 25 points for filing frivolous protests, and 50 points for team orders except in the final race of the season.

UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT: Ramming another car and claiming you didn't see him; accusing a driver you hit of trying to kill you; claiming a win when you didn't win, then trying to push the REAL winner onto the top step to make people quit booing you; telling your team over the radio to order a driver from another team who is ahead of you but racing for position to move over because you have more points than he has or have a better looking girl friend; or refusing to talk to fans when ordered to do it. Or anything else the Race Stewards' Moms think well brought up children should not do.

Is this a reference to anyone in particular, Liz?

RWC · 21 Sep 2003, 09:32 (Ref:725453)

Um,lets see...
Shoot bernie
Send max to work at the safety department of skoda
Get a bunch of brains together and ask what will allow the cars to run close without affecting each others aero so much,and DO IT.
Ban lateral grooves(in fact make max wear suits with lateral groove patterns for the rest of his life,LOL)
Bring back slicks OR use a 'maximum tread area' formula so they can make the tread any shape they like
Put sensible prices on the racetrack enty and have a draw if nessesary to cut down on the non race fan type people at events(yes those rich w**kers)
Bring back some form of the old type of qualifying agian.(as much as i like the idea of single lap-it's not good for the fans at the track)
Make it a rule that any tyre company MUST BE PREPARED TO SUPPLY ALL TEAMS THAT WANT THEIR TYRES THAT WEEKEND.Most teams would stick to the brands that they are used to but small teams that can't test anyway would be better off.
Teams can buy old cars from another team.They don't HAVE to make their own as now is the case.
And the biggest change of all---All drivers are pre approved by the constructors and will rotate between teams thoughout the year so that every driver drives for every team.Any time someone is injured there will be a bunch of 'teams approved' standby drivers ready to fill in.
This way drivers really do have a FAIR drivers championship!
and constructors really do have a fair championship!

Korr · 22 Sep 2003, 09:40 (Ref:726165)

1) Ban launch control.

2) Smaller rear wing and slicks!

3) 12 second mandatory length pit stop.

4) Ban automatic up and down shifting of transmissions.

Mr V · 22 Sep 2003, 11:47 (Ref:726290)

Quote:

Originally posted by Korr

3) 12 second mandatory length pit stop.

Not sure what this would acheive Korr as all driver pit stops would be the same length and wouldn't allow for different stratergys.

At the CART race at Brands this year, all teams/drivers had to make 2 fuel pit stops that weren't under yellow conditions, so all cars stopped roughly the same time in the race. Turned, what should have been an exciting race at an exciting venue into one of the most boring CART races seen for a long time.

**Adam43** · 22 Sep 2003, 12:37 (Ref:726343)

I guess having a madatory pit stop length would remove an aspect which is outside the drivers control. The strategy would remain, but the teams would build in a 12s stop rather than a x second stop to there calculations.

I'm not really bothered one way or the other, but it is certainly an idea.

Mr V · 22 Sep 2003, 12:42 (Ref:726355)

A 3 stopper takes approx 6-7 seconds, a 2 stopper 10ish seconds and a 1 stopper (have we seen any of them this year?) 13+ seconds, so going on a 3 stopper but having to stay in the pits for 12 seconds wouldn't gain anything when a 2 stopper stops for the same ammount of time but fills up with more fuel.

**Adam43** · 22 Sep 2003, 12:49 (Ref:726371)

Yes, but it is more complicated than that. It isn't just the shorter stops that is a factor. In fact I think this is the least important aspect of deciding strategy. In rough order of importance things to consider are
1) Weight saved and quicker lapping.
2) Time lost entering and leaving pit lane.
3) Time staitionary.

There would be a difference, but you would only have to build in an extra few seconds for each stop. It does mean that any strategies that were marginal might be pushed more towards a strategy with less stops.

Tristan · 22 Sep 2003, 15:10 (Ref:726542)

Seriously, the only two things I'd change would be:

1) Slick tyres made legal with current dimensions intact.

2) Ban all power sources on the cars (as I explained previously).

The advantage of the second one would mean manual gear boxes, no TC, no LC and, best of all, ZERO AMBIGUITY.

It's the way forward, people!! Accept it!!

Edmonton · 22 Sep 2003, 16:39 (Ref:726637)

Allow differnt amount of cylinders and not just v10s. Have it like 60s/70s/90s where you could run things like v8,v112,v10 etc.

**Adam43** · 22 Sep 2003, 16:42 (Ref:726643)

Quote:

Originally posted by Edmonton
Allow differnt amount of cylinders and not just v10s. Have it like 60s/70s/90s where you could run things like v8,v112,v10 etc.

Yes, I agree with this. Variety. Nice!

Quote:

Originally posted by Edmonton
v112

Not even BRM would be that crazy!

Edmonton · 22 Sep 2003, 16:54 (Ref:726662)

Quote:

Originally posted by AdamAshmore
Yes, I agree with this. Variety. Nice!

Not even BRM would be that crazy!

Opps -a little typo i ment v12

But I could see a v16maybe or a v6,hell if they want they could a 4 as well.

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