British F3 Round 4 (Races 7 & 8), Hockenheim - Page 2

strider · 5 Jun 2009, 13:06 (Ref:2475957)

Report of the practice sessions, including times, here.

Van der Zande on top throughout, but Ricciardo and Ericsson now moving up. Tandy 6th, but Wickens only 10th, which surprises me. Henry Arundel is in the wars, which is a shame after his podium last weekend. Not that long for the Carlin boys to repair the car before qualifying, but I expect they'll manage it.

Only 20 cars after all. I think it's West-Tec that are missing.

Valker · 5 Jun 2009, 13:26 (Ref:2475964)

All results here: http://www.gp-weingarten.de/09/index...d=29&Itemid=31

Last2LiftOff · 5 Jun 2009, 14:11 (Ref:2475977)

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Originally Posted by strider

but Wickens only 10th, which surprises me.

(Oh ye' of little faith.)

And, I don't care, it's Brit Formula 3, I bet he's having an absolute blast! Good on ya' Robert.

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Originally Posted by strider

Only 20 cars after all. I think it's West-Tec that are missing.

Was the car count not nearer the 30's last year (or maybe the year before)?

**bella** · 5 Jun 2009, 14:23 (Ref:2475986)

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Originally Posted by Last2LiftOff

Was the car count not nearer the 30's last year (or maybe the year before)?

i'm not sure if you're aware of a little thing called an economic melt down that's happened since then

considering the fact f2 has appeared since then as well i think 20 isn't toooooo bad. they're all fairly well matched as well.
and valker, you're a genius!

Last2LiftOff · 5 Jun 2009, 14:27 (Ref:2475989)

No, there's been no effect here in Alberta at all Bella, not even a little bit.

runshaw · 5 Jun 2009, 15:47 (Ref:2476039)

The lap times in practice are much faster than the F3 Euroseries managed all weekend at Hockenheim a fortnight ago. Would that be due to track temperature and different tyres etc? Van der Zande's lap time of 1m33.147s in practice 2 would have put him on pole by 5 tenths! Sam Bird's pole time of 1m33.657s in the Euroseries was the fastest lap anyone managed all weekend from what I can see.

strider · 5 Jun 2009, 17:00 (Ref:2476065)

Qualifying 1, briefly:

1. Renger Van der Zande
2. Daniel Ricciardo
3. Marcus Ericsson
4. Max Chilton
5. Carlos Huertas
6. Robert Wickens
7. Walter Grubmüller
8. Adriano Buzaid
9. Riki Christodoulou
10. Nick Tandy

strider · 5 Jun 2009, 17:14 (Ref:2476070)

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Originally Posted by runshaw

The lap times in practice are much faster than the F3 Euroseries managed all weekend at Hockenheim a fortnight ago. Would that be due to track temperature and different tyres etc? Van der Zande's lap time of 1m33.147s in practice 2 would have put him on pole by 5 tenths! Sam Bird's pole time of 1m33.657s in the Euroseries was the fastest lap anyone managed all weekend from what I can see.

It's a very interesting point, runshaw, particularly now we have a report of first qualifying and the full times:

Code:

Pos Driver                  Team             Car         Time
 1. Renger van der Zande    Hitech           D/M    1m32.965s
 2. Daniel Ricciardo        Carlin           D/V    1m33.039s
 3. Marcus Ericsson         Double R         D/M    1m33.383s
 4. Max Chilton             Carlin           D/V    1m33.457s
 5. Carlos Huertas          Double R         D/M    1m33.580s
 6. Robert Wickens          Carlin           D/V    1m33.606s
 7. Walter Grubmuller       Hitech           D/M    1m33.656s
 8. Adriano Buzaid          T-Sport          D/V    1m33.732s
 9. Riki Christodoulou      Fortec           D/M    1m33.796s
10. Nick Tandy              JTR              M/M    1m33.981s
11. Daisuke Nakajima        Double R         D/M    1m34.047s
12. Victor Garcia           Fortec           D/M    1m34.052s
13. Wayne Boyd              T-Sport          D/V    1m34.151s
14. Henry Arundel           Carlin           D/V    1m34.350s
15. Jay Bridger             Litespeed        M/H    1m34.500s
16. Gabriel Dias            T-Sport          D/H    1m34.741s
17. Hywel Lloyd             CF               D/H    1m34.878s
18. Daniel McKenzie         Fortec           D/H    1m35.193s
19. Stephane Richelmi       Barazi Epsilon   D/M    1m35.258s
20. Victor Correa           Litespeed        S/H    1m37.913s

I suppose I should do some more research on the F3ES site, but that time of Van Der Zande looks to be very quick indeed, particularly when you remember how little practice they have had. Somewhere, when he first drove the car at Silverstone, he made some comments about how the BF3 Cooper tyre compared with the F3ES Kumho. I will try to find them.

**bella** · 5 Jun 2009, 18:13 (Ref:2476099)

the track temperature difference between now and the f3 euroseries round has to be huge. the ambient temperature was mid to late 20s the other week, whereas i think it's similar to here ie cold air and occasional sunshine at the moment.

90% chance of precipitation tomorrow, apparently....

JohnMiller · 5 Jun 2009, 18:55 (Ref:2476126)

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Originally Posted by strider

Only 20 cars after all. I think it's West-Tec that are missing.

http://www.teamwest-tec.com/news_nohock.htm

strider · 5 Jun 2009, 19:36 (Ref:2476148)

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Originally Posted by bella

the track temperature difference between now and the f3 euroseries round has to be huge. the ambient temperature was mid to late 20s the other week, whereas i think it's similar to here ie cold air and occasional sunshine at the moment.

It's been 16C down here today. Less hot than the rest of the week, but still very pleasant. No cold air.

There's another report here and van der Zande is specifically giving credit to the Cooper tires, which is interesting.

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Originally Posted by bella

90% chance of precipitation tomorrow, apparently....

Yeah, yeah, I fear you're right. Even Yahoo is forecasting rain for down here for the next four days, worst of all on Sunday. Can't wait.

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Originally Posted by JohnMiller

http://www.teamwest-tec.com/news_nohock.htm

Thanks, John. I thought you would be there unless it was for reasons beyond your control.

strider · 5 Jun 2009, 21:18 (Ref:2476200)

I've quickly updated the timetable for the next two days so that the times are in GMT:

Saturday
10.25 -10.55 Qualifying 2
15.40- 16.10 Race 1

Sunday
09.25 - 09.55 Race 2

If it really is going to be wet, it's probably a good thing that there is another qualifying session before the first race.

Valker · 6 Jun 2009, 07:53 (Ref:2476364)

ATS Cup just finished their 2nd qualifying and the track seems to be wet... or at least I can't figure out any other reason for some +20 sec compared to yesterday.

strider · 6 Jun 2009, 10:30 (Ref:2476430)

Grubmüller on pole for race 2.

strider · 6 Jun 2009, 10:54 (Ref:2476444)

Full times from Q2:

1 INT Walter Grubmüller/AUT, Hitech Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 34.451s

2 INT Renger van der Zande/NED, Hitech Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 34.546s

3 INT Daniel Ricciardo/AUS, Carlin Dallara-Volkswagen, 1m 34.806s

4 INT Max Chilton/GBR, Carlin Dallara-Volkswagen, 1m 34.832s

5 INT Marcus Ericsson/SWE, RR Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 34.847s

6 INT Adriano Buzaid/BRA, T-Sport Dallara-Volkswagen, 1m 35.203s

7 INT Riki Christodoulou/GBR, Fortec Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 35.219s

8 INT Carlos Huertas/COL, RR Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 35.306s

9 INT Wayne Boyd/GBR, T-Sport Dallara-Volkswagen, 1m 35.548s

10 INT Nick Tandy/GBR, JTR Mygale-Mercedes, 1m 35.584s

11 INT Jay Bridger/GBR, Litespeed Mygale-Mugen Honda, 1m 35.807s

12 INT Victor Garcia/ESP, Fortec Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 35.842s

13 NAT Daniel McKenzie/GBR, Fortec Dallara-Mugen Honda, 1m 35.956s

14 INT Daisuke Nakajima/JPN, RR Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 35.960s

15 INT Robert Wickens/CDN, Carlin Dallara-Volkswagen, 1m 35.973s

16 INT Henry Arundel/GBR, Carlin Dallara-Volkswagen, 1m 36.296s

17 NAT Gabriel Dias/BRA, T-Sport Dallara-Mugen Honda, 1m 36.432s

18 INT Hywel Lloyd/GBR, CF Racing Dallara-Mugen Honda, 1m 36.877s

19 NAT Victor Correa/BRA, Litespeed-Mugen Honda, 1m 38.477s

20 INT Stéphane Richelmi/MON, Barazi-Epsilon Dallara-Mercedes, 1m 39.213s

There was a note that Ricciardo and Arundel lost their best times for flag infringement.

Last2LiftOff · 6 Jun 2009, 11:16 (Ref:2476452)

Yikes! what happened to Wickens there?

strider · 6 Jun 2009, 12:08 (Ref:2476465)

Report here. It just says Wickens had a nightmare session, which is self-evident.

Jay Bridger did very well to be as close as that to Nick Tandy in the other Mygale.

Last2LiftOff · 6 Jun 2009, 15:00 (Ref:2476541)

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Originally Posted by strider

It just says Wickens had a nightmare session,

Mr. consistency looks like. Hopefully he's not taken Christodoulou and Nakajima with him...oy!

Well done Ericsson getting to the front there, carry on Marcus.

Mr Pink · 6 Jun 2009, 17:50 (Ref:2476600)

Results from race 1:

Classified:

Pos Driver Make Time
1. Marcus Ericsson Dallara/Mercedes 30:20.552
2. R.van der Zande Dallara/Mercedes + 1.188
3. W.Grubmüller Dallara/Mercedes + 7.278
4. Daniel Ricciardo Dallara/Volkswagen + 9.775
5. Max Chilton Dallara/Volkswagen + 13.583
6. Adriano Buzaid Dallara/Volkswagen + 14.526
7. Carlos Huertas Dallara/Mercedes + 16.281
8. Nick Tandy Mygale/Mercedes + 25.770
9. Wayne Boyd Dallara/Volkswagen + 30.279
10. Victor Garcia Dallara/Mercedes + 36.380
11. Hywel Lloyd Dallara/Mugen-Honda + 37.029
12. Jay Bridger Mygale/Mercedes + 37.440
13. Victor Corrêa SLC/Mugen-Honda +1:11.333
14. Henry Arundel Dallara/Volkswagen +1:19.100

Not classified:

Driver Make Laps
Gabriel Dias Dallara/Mugen-Honda 14
Daniel McKenzie Dallara/Mugen-Honda 14
Robert Wickens Dallara/Volkswagen 0
R.Christodoulou Dallara/Mercedes 0
Daisuke Nakajima Dallara/Mercedes 0

Fastest lap: Van der Zande, 1:34.763 on lap 7

strider · 6 Jun 2009, 18:15 (Ref:2476609)

A couple of reports for you:

http://www.fota.co.uk/news.php?actio...Article&params[id]=896

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75899

At this rate Ericsson won't be wanting to go back to Japan and Double R won't want him to!

If Tandy stalled at the start and progressed to 8th, he must have have overtaken a fair few cars, even allowing for the 3 or 4 that were eliminated on the first lap.

Richard B · 6 Jun 2009, 21:17 (Ref:2476672)

Good result for Victor and Litespeed in national class, whilst a bit fortunate but to finish 1st you first must finish.
Congratulations to him and the team for thir 1st win.
Not sure what happened to Jay, he qualified just behind Nick Tandy (who stalled on the grid).

Last2LiftOff · 7 Jun 2009, 09:09 (Ref:2476820)

On a wet track I suppose this morning.

strider · 7 Jun 2009, 10:10 (Ref:2476855)

Walter Grubmuller and Renger van der Zande scored a 1-2 for Hitech in race 2 this morning, ahead of (good news for you L2LO), Robert Wickens, Marcus Ericsson, Riki Christodoulou and Nick Tandy, who set fastest lap after, presumably, another charge through the field.

Full results here.

Neither yesterday nor today do the times suggest that the track was wet. They were about a second slower than they might have been, but that's all.

strider · 7 Jun 2009, 10:32 (Ref:2476870)

Race report here. The race was run run a drying track, but it was slicks all the way.

Bad news for those of us who are Tandy supporters is that he was excluded from race 1 yesterday for an inadvertent airbox irregularity. Details here.

50-SIX · 7 Jun 2009, 11:07 (Ref:2476887)

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Originally Posted by strider

Bad news for those of us who are Tandy supporters is that he was excluded from race 1 yesterday for an inadvertent airbox irregularity. Details here.

Strider, am I right in thinking Nick stalled on the grid in race 2?? If so, then mega result. If not, still pretty good and he took some points back from Ricciardo.

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