Penalty for CrashBandicoot?

[cavvy]

Originally posted by Harves
.....forget personal attacks that's way to easy, it was a racing incident. The aftermath is what happens when you race on street circuits.

Succincted beautifully, Billy would be proud.

The point about street circuits is well made.

[eduardo1]

He had three incidents yes, but look at them all individually.

Ingall was a minor miscalculation and he served a drive-through - a fair enough penalty.

Bowe - was a turn one incident that happens. It has inconclusive footage from the outside and it was with a driver who is notorious for shutting the door on others without checking who's alongside. I think Rick was probably in the wrong there, but it was very minor.

Bright - the end result was horrific, but look at the actual contact. He made a minimal touch due to a misjudgement when trying to slot back into line for the corner. He wasn't attempting a passing move. If this had happened at 90 percent of the other corners in the series Bright would have spun harmlessly and Rick given a drive-through, which would have been a fair penalty. As it was, that's what happened.

Now perhaps the penalties need to be a little more harsh when incidents occur on street circuits due to the extra cost and danger involved in accidents, but let's not go over the top.

And Paul Morris sent Dumbrell an invoice for damage because of Dumbrell's attitude after it happened. However the competition rules that they have to abide by exempt teams from having to foot opponents damage bills.

[Trevor P]

Ed
You may be correct with your assertions, (although I don't quite agree that the touch with Bright was a minor incident), but you forgot one thing - Rick is the common factor in all four, and if you include his poor attitude behind Ambrose, five incidents. Even Steven Richards was only invloved in a couple, and he didn't hurt anyone but himself.

[tiko]

A the end of the day most of yo uare missing the point. The size of the aftermath of an incident shouldnt and doesnt determine the size of the penalty. If Rick Kelly spun Brighty around in the exact same fashion at winton and he slithered on into the infield he gets the same penalty as he would for being turned around into a concrete barrier at indy and writing off the car. In both situations the rules state that a drive thru penalty or a time penaly should be imposed and it was.

[johnh875]

Very true tiko, the rules have been applied correctly. Personally I think he got off lightly being charged with a minor tap, what was he doing sticking his nose alongside leading into the chicane like that where there was no chance of passing - apart from the obvious pressuring/intimidation. Pretty simple task and he misjudged/stuffed it.

As eduardo said, perhaps there should be a charge of "stupidity" for street races, such as Dumbrell last year or Rick here, ie impossible passes on high-risk/consequence corners. However I am not so sure TC and the gang would be that upset to see a bit of attention-getting carnage!

Originally posted by eduardo1
Now perhaps the penalties need to be a little more harsh when incidents occur on street circuits due to the extra cost and danger involved in accidents, but let's not go over the top.

And Paul Morris sent Dumbrell an invoice for damage because of Dumbrell's attitude after it happened. However the competition rules that they have to abide by exempt teams from having to foot opponents damage bills.

He may not have been expecting payment, but you've got to give him credit for a sense of humor.

[David Towe]

TAXI !!!!

[1200Datto27]

Whilst I know that the V8's do not use the CAMS manual for all of their rules, i think that this one may be pertinent;
From the Race meeting standing regs.
7. Code of driving conduct
7.1 (vi) The repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the vehicle (such as leaving the track) may entail the exclusion of the driver concerned.

So there is a rule in the manual that allows for a driver to be removed if the stewards see fit.

[malarky]

Obviously the stewards felt that this rule should not apply to Rick's driving at Indy.

Several good points have been made regarding Rick's behaviour at the event. I agree that you can't assess an incident and be influenced by the aftermath and then apply the penalty.

The tap on Bright looked like a miscalculation and it was a small impact. The big impact occurred purely because they were racing on a street circuit.

If it was turn2 at the Creek (or at most racing tracks in the country), Brighty would have speared off into the dirt, Kelly would have gotten a drive through and that would have been it.

This entire thread and the ridiculous options that the poll offers is simply a knee jerk over reaction.

In the past, guys like Ingall, Bowe and Morris have been masters at multiple offences over a weekend and I can't recall anyone calling for driving bans and $1000k fines?

Pathetic...

[Average Punter]

Couldn't help but go digging for this one from the archives...

Interesting that at the time (just after Indy 2004) everyone was prepared to lynch young Rick for his questionable move on Jason Bright that put the PWR car heavily into the wall, as well as a number of other indiscretions (Steve Richards from memory...)

Now that he is on the verge of having his name etched on the trophy for 2006 Champion, I can't help thinking that this meeting (Indy 2004) marked a significant turning point for the Rickster.

Some strong showings in the V8SCCS, and some exquisite car control (see Symmons Plains R2 2006) show he has learned a lot from the incidents that fateful Indy weekend two long years ago.

More power to you Rick.

I'm actually starting to think you can drive..................

[Dazz]

I think Rick has matured as both a driver and as a person this year. He's kept out of trouble, been at the pointy end all year, and is showing that he is definitely a title contender.