Driver Barrichello vs Hülkenberg - Page 2

Satorian · 6 Nov 2009, 17:12 (Ref:2577127)

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Originally Posted by strider

The first (and best) generation A1GP cars weren't exactly lithe and agile.

Actually, I think that's why Hülkenberg didn't immediately master F3.

I think I recall the Premiere (now Sky Germany) commentators, among them Sven Heidfeld, saying as much regarding the race car types and adaptation needed between them.

Satorian · 6 Nov 2009, 17:15 (Ref:2577131)

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Originally Posted by jab

I think Hulkenberg will overshadow Vettel. He makes less mistakes. Even if Vettel wins a title, I think Nico will win 2. I think Vettel will become to Nico what Piquet was to Senna - the slightly older, lesser German

Hmmm. Tough call on who's better between those two, but I don't think Hülkenberg will overshadow Vettel. I think Vettel will be able to hold his own.

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I'll make another wild(ish) prediction - the Cosworth will be the most powerful and best engine on the grid next year. They've had time to develop it this year which will give them a headstart

Considering that the FIA wants to present the Cosworth engine as absolutely viable option, considering it's their baby and fought a lot for it, I'm convinced the FIA will make sure that it's going to be competitive in all aspects at the very least, possibly even outperform some of them.

Mr V · 6 Nov 2009, 17:48 (Ref:2577153)

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Originally Posted by jab

I think Hulkenberg will overshadow Vettel. He makes less mistakes. Even if Vettel wins a title, I think Nico will win 2. I think Vettel will become to Nico what Piquet was to Senna - the slightly older, lesser German

Ha ha

see you in the Vettel vs Hulkenberg thread

As i said previously, i think Nico is an exceptional talent and Germany may well find themselves with the best 2 drivers on the grid in the future!

But for Nico to become the Senna to Seb's Piquet, he has has to do some winning etc and if Nico has 5 win's, 9 podiums, 5 poles and 125 points in his first 43 races i'll eat my hat!

**Adam43** · 6 Nov 2009, 18:56 (Ref:2577210)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

How do you detroy someone?

Take the Helen out of him.

Burnsie · 6 Nov 2009, 19:06 (Ref:2577213)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Take the Helen out of him.

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ptclaus98 · 6 Nov 2009, 19:08 (Ref:2577217)

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Originally Posted by jab

A bit. But you can still make rough guesses. I remember debating on another forum about who would come out on top between Rubens and Jenson with some Rubens fans (just to prove I'm not always anti-Button

)

I actually agree that Hulkenberg will do the business. The guy's got as good, if not a better junior record than Lewis. I think that there's a chance that by the end of the year, Vettel will become old hat and Nico will be the accepted new Schumacher. I don't think Rubens will be terrible - perhaps similar sort of form to DC in his later years, but Nico will just be better

If there's one person who can put Williams back on the top step of the podium after 5 years, it's Nico Hulkenberg

Agreed.

How do the Germans keep pumping out these guys? I think I'll marry a German and hope my kid is a ridiculously awesome racing driver.

**Adam43** · 6 Nov 2009, 20:25 (Ref:2577267)

About 15 years ago karting in Germany became more popular for some reason.

NaBUru38 · 6 Nov 2009, 21:26 (Ref:2577296)

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Originally Posted by Fox89

Hulkenberg was so blisteringly and consistently good that my gut feeling says he will soon be close to Barrichello's pace after a few GP. I do think that for the first season, however, Rubens' experience will give him the upper hand.

Nico doens't exactly lack pace. F1 is much more that having fast reflexes and flying quick around chicanes and hairpins. I believe that he will learn next year from Rubinho a lot of strategy and car setup.

Satorian · 6 Nov 2009, 21:36 (Ref:2577306)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Nico doens't exactly lack pace. F1 is much more that having fast reflexes and flying quick around chicanes and hairpins. I believe that he will learn next year from Rubinho a lot of strategy and car setup.

Considering that he already tested with Williams and spent some time at the factory getting acquainted will all kinds of Williams personnel, while looking at how quickly he got on in GP2 and GP2 Asia, I don't think he'll need that much help.

Sepang or Shangha,i from which on Hülkenberg will match Barrichello.

ptclaus98 · 6 Nov 2009, 23:50 (Ref:2577361)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

About 15 years ago karting in Germany became more popular for some reason.

Interesting...

Robbe · 7 Nov 2009, 00:59 (Ref:2577385)

Hülkenberg's last two seasons were very interesting. In both seasons he struggled a bit at the beginning, but then there came races where he was way faster than everyone else and just seemed untouchable.

But remember, every time he won he was in top material. He drove F3 for ART, and except for the first Euroseries season which was won by Briscoe/Prema, every year an ART driver finished on top. This was also his third year in F3 - his first year was in German F3, and it was pretty unimpressive, as he was far behind champion... Ho-Pin Tung!

Personally I don't think he is as good as Vettel, and his first F1 season in a mediocre car against the most experienced teammate you could ever have in F1 history won't be easy.

Oldtony · 7 Nov 2009, 01:57 (Ref:2577404)

Does it matter. I doubt if Williams are any longer capable of producing a car capable of more than the occaisional podium. I doubt if it will be the Cosworth holding them back, but that will be the excuse.
People seem to be talking as if the Hulk is inexperienced. He has F3, A1GP and GP2 titles behind him, he has a year around the Williams factory and will have more raport with the engineers than Rubens at the start of the season and he will have less initial pressure on him.
The challenge is for Rubens to finish ahead of him at some stage of the year.

MrTTraces · 9 Nov 2009, 12:04 (Ref:2578855)

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Originally Posted by steve_r

I don't know much about Hulkenberg, but his CV looks impressive.

Not seen it, whats he put under interests and hobbies? And your CV is only as good as the references you supply.

Super Hans · 9 Nov 2009, 12:29 (Ref:2578868)

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Originally Posted by MrTTraces

Not seen it, whats he put under interests and hobbies?

Driving fast and collecting silverware.

Sodemo · 9 Nov 2009, 13:56 (Ref:2578915)

Am really keen on seeing how The Hulk does. Then again, I tipped Pizzonia for big things in F1 after he demolished the opposition in Formula Renault.

ECW Dan Selby · 9 Nov 2009, 14:06 (Ref:2578927)

Yeh Pizzonia was a really bizzare case.

Selby

foreversideways · 11 Nov 2009, 14:23 (Ref:2580142)

Despite his enthusiasm for the move i think Rubinho will soon realise that Williams will not be providing him with a car capable of reprising his 2009 season and it will be than that the rot sets in. Will he really have the motivation after all this time to trundle round without the chance of a win. I somehow doubt it and this will be when we see his head drop and Hulkenberg will gain the advantage. If by some miracle Williams produce a winning car than i suspect Ruben's will pick up where he left off with Brawn and be very hard to challenge.

Andy Harrison · 17 Nov 2009, 10:53 (Ref:2583433)

I think Hulkenberg is going to start strong and finish ahead of Barichello - come on The Hulk!!

Marbot · 17 Nov 2009, 10:57 (Ref:2583436)

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Originally Posted by Andy Harrison

I think Hulkenberg is going to start strong and finish ahead of Barichello - come on The Hulk!!

Barrichello will start the season by not being happy with his brakes (as usual), so it's quite possible.

Teretonga · 17 Nov 2009, 19:53 (Ref:2583697)

It really depends on the car and how receptive the team is to making changes to suit Barrichello.
If they centre the car around Reubens, and its a good one, he could spring a few surprises. But Sam Michael is not Ross Brawn and all Reuben's real success has come when Reuben was getting the attention from Ross Brawn that he thought he deserved...... at both teams.

If Hulkenberg gets it right in the beginning and aces reubens then I think Reubens will be lucky to see out the two years at Williams. He will work hard but will not enjoy it.

Jimmy Magnusson · 17 Nov 2009, 20:10 (Ref:2583710)

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Originally Posted by Robbe

Hülkenberg's last two seasons were very interesting. In both seasons he struggled a bit at the beginning, but then there came races where he was way faster than everyone else and just seemed untouchable.

But remember, every time he won he was in top material. He drove F3 for ART, and except for the first Euroseries season which was won by Briscoe/Prema, every year an ART driver finished on top. This was also his third year in F3 - his first year was in German F3, and it was pretty unimpressive, as he was far behind champion... Ho-Pin Tung!

Personally I don't think he is as good as Vettel, and his first F1 season in a mediocre car against the most experienced teammate you could ever have in F1 history won't be easy.

I don't think ART were the best team in GP2 this year. And Tung was in his third year in F3 in 2006. He was pretty much a shoe-in for the title.

RF_Racer · 17 Nov 2009, 23:06 (Ref:2583846)

I think people are comparing Hulk to second coming of Jesus!

I seem to remember his tests in a F1 car were a bit of a mess and Sam Michaels wasnt exactly impressed as he smashed them up.

Marbot · 18 Nov 2009, 01:08 (Ref:2583897)

I seem to remember that Hamilton binned his McLaren on his first test.

Satorian · 18 Nov 2009, 01:20 (Ref:2583903)

True enough, Hülkenberg's very first F1 tests haven't set the world alight. Subsequent tests have been much better though and he has matured and progressed during the past two years.

He'll do just fine.

Vettel in a Williams · 18 Nov 2009, 02:19 (Ref:2583920)

I'm just excited to see such a great young prospect in my favourite car next season.

Depending on how good the Cosworth engine turns out to be and depending on if we can finally build a race winning car again it could go either way.

I think if Rubens is given a car capable of challenging for the podium then he will show Hulk the way for the early parts of the season but once young Nico gets to grips with driving in race situations in an F1 car he will start to push Ruebns and possibly surpass him in the WDC.

Whatever happens I'm looking forward to seeing 2 competitive drivers pushing each other to their limits.

Bring on the 2010 season!!!!

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