F1 2008 Round 7 - Grand Prix du Canada, Ile De Notre Dame (06/06/08-08/06/08)

[Cougar]

35 minutes in and still no Ferarris...

[Bononi]

Very wet...

[Cougar]

Glock fastest on the Clock with 15min odd to go.

[duke_toaster]

FP1 Results

Pos	No	Driver	Team	Time	Gap	Laps
1	2	Felipe Massa	Ferrari	1:17.553	0	14
2	4	Robert Kubica	BMW Sauber	1:17.809	0.256	12
3	23	Heikki Kovalainen	McLaren-Mercedes	1:18.133	0.580	10
4	3	Nick Heidfeld	BMW Sauber	1:18.182	0.629	13
5	1	Kimi Räikkönen	Ferrari	1:18.292	0.739	12
6	22	Lewis Hamilton	McLaren-Mercedes	1:18.303	0.750	8
7	10	Mark Webber	Red Bull-Renault	1:18.712	1.159	11
8	9	David Coulthard	Red Bull-Renault	1:18.809	1.256	12
9	8	Kazuki Nakajima	Williams-Toyota	1:18.971	1.418	24
10	5	Fernando Alonso	Renault	1:19.005	1.452	13
11	7	Nico Rosberg	Williams-Toyota	1:19.093	1.540	20
12	15	Sebastian Vettel	STR-Ferrari	1:19.228	1.675	21
13	12	Timo Glock	Toyota	1:19.346	1.793	28
14	11	Jarno Trulli	Toyota	1:19.568	2.015	31
15	21	Giancarlo Fisichella	Force India-Ferrari	1:19.815	2.262	16
16	20	Adrian Sutil	Force India-Ferrari	1:19.888	2.335	15
17	6	Nelsinho Piquet	Renault	1:20.091	2.538	23
18	17	Rubens Barrichello	Honda	1:20.173	2.620	17
19	14	Sebastien Bourdais	STR-Ferrari	1:20.541	2.988	16
20	16	Jenson Button	Honda	1:21.542	3.989	17

[Super Hans]

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

All hail the rain-master.

Erm...

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Super Hans

All hail the rain-master.

Erm...

[bigted]

sounds like massa has a gear issue

[duke_toaster]

Is that a broken 'box? If that's the case will he be marched back five?

[Bononi]

Good point...

[Good Times]

Fri practice, No marching & even if it did he would still be on the 3rd row.

[Satorian]

Interesting to see BMW quite far up ahead by their usual Friday-standards. Usually they take it slow in the FP sessions. Interesting.

[Marbot]

Also interesting to see Honda right at the bottom of the............oh wait,that's not really that interesting is it.

I'm sure that Jenson will improve in Practice 3,but really that Honda seems to be falling back from the mid-field pack.I don't think that they are even battling with the STRs now!

[FPV GTHO]

Well Honda admitted long ago theyre focusing on 2009 now. They wont be producing any more parts for the car except the Monza package probably.

[Hugh Jarce]

I have to say that I have lost what little respect for Honda that I ever have. For a manufacturer to be languishing down there is, frankly, appalling and for non-fans laughable.

And, as for the Earth Dreams vision from the multinational gas guzzling giant from a country with a very poor record on curbing greenhouse gas emissions ... there's a great quote on their website:

"Everyone has a dream or passsion ... The Honda Racing F1 Team commits to giving its support to helping inspirational people around the world turn theirs into a reality."

Perhaps they should start with their own rather than focussing on others, how ever worthy they may be!

Jenson - get out of there whenever you can - you'd be far better off in a Force India!

[Peter Mallett]

Sadly I think he's lost his chance now. The Honda is, as you say, dreadful, and getting worse. How can any company really justify the expense? The results can't be selling cars. Personally I'd have a Ford before a Honda and they're not racing anymore!

[Satorian]

As FPV GTHO said: Brawn had written off '08 right from the start. '09 should be a better indicator of whether Honda is actually properly moving forward.

Besides, those were just Friday times. Not that important, really.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Satorian

Besides, those were just Friday times. Not that important, really.

Then why have it at all?

[Hugh Jarce]

Originally Posted by Satorian

As FPV GTHO said: Brawn had written off '08 right from the start.

Many are focussing on the same with the change of rules and technology - but is it just me thinking it, or is Nick Fry a very lucky man not to be taking full flack for the total lack of technical leadership in the team.

What has Fry done to warrant his massive salary apart from oversee a steadily declining team since Dave Richards left?

My questions is why on earth (dreams) have him and Ross Brawn?

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by bigted

sounds like massa has a gear issue

hmmmm........I don't think that red suits him.

[Super Hans]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jarce

Many are focussing on the same with the change of rules and technology - but is it just me thinking it, or is Nick Fry a very lucky man not to be taking full flack for the total lack of technical leadership in the team.

What has Fry done to warrant his massive salary apart from oversee a steadily declining team since Dave Richards left?

My questions is why on earth (dreams) have him and Ross Brawn?

Fry is from a commercial background, not an technical one. Yes, there has been a lack of technical leadership under Fry, but that won't stop him excelling in his current role. Similarly if Brawn was in sole charge, Honda would no doubt be strong techinically, but they may also be weak commercially.

[Marbot]

It looks to me like Honda are definitely sinking all there efforts into 2009.Teams like BMW,Renault etc may find themselves disadvantaged next season if they concentrate too much on trying to finish in third and fourth places.

Webcams near the track.

http://www.pjcci.ca/francais/video/d...intDirection=1

[Last2LiftOff]

Robert really taking it to quick Nick these days, if he stays off the wall in the last corner.

[Sodemo]

I really hope Williams do well. I worry about their financial situation, and have done since 2006.

[Knowlesy]

I think they are in a sound financial position with no major worries now, barring completely unforeseen disasters.

[Hugh Jarce]

Originally Posted by Super Hans

Fry is from a commercial background, not an technical one. Yes, there has been a lack of technical leadership under Fry, but that won't stop him excelling in his current role.

(Sorry Sodemo and Knowls but minor rant about to begin on Honda again!)

To me Fry comes across as a typical PR-type. Always hanging around in camera shot. Smiling inannely like someone on prozac. Patting people on the back who are working hard ... "well done, what's your name, yes that wheel looks really heavy, is that a fronty or backy one?" - I may be wrong but I've seen people who give off a simliar look many times before.

I think the whole Honda brand and image is being shot in F1.

If Honda hope the public will judge and value their name and product by their F1 performance - key images that currently spring to mind are slow, loser, underperforming, embarrasing to drive, plagued by technical problems, shiny on the outside with little under the hood. I wouldn't buy one based on their F1 image.

And, if Earth Dreams the pinnacle of his commercial prowess, I'd be more confident trying to sell farm manure sponsorship for the front wing of that team!

I'm serious - the Honda brand at the moment is awful and that is the commercial department and specialist's issue and problem!