[Official] Mexican Grand Prix 2019: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by gert

I must admit, I didn't see a yellow flag in that clip.
Then again, I didn't see Verstappen either.

I couldn't see a yellow flag in that clip either.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I couldn't see a yellow flag in that clip either.

You do see the corners before the place of the yellow flag

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by gert

That is proving nothing, only that he didn't improve on his previous effort. Even +0:0.001 would give a yellow square.
The purple number for Sector 3 gives away that he didn't lift.

It proves everything, that's why the FIA already said they will do nothing about that time

because that last "minisector" was NOT faster

[gert]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

It proves everything, that's why the FIA already said they will do nothing about that time

because that last "minisector" was NOT faster

Hmmm, so yellow flag rules don't count if you're Max Verstappen? That's interesting.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

You do see the corners before the place of the yellow flag

I still couldn't see a yellow flag. Are you sure that's the lap Bottas crashed on because I couldn't see his car up against the wall?

That's Bottas' car on the left hand side of the track, in the distance.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I still couldn't see a yellow flag. Are you sure that's the lap Bottas crashed on because I couldn't see his car up against the wall?

That's Bottas' car on the left hand side of the track, in the distance.

That was Ricciardo's pole lap last year, coul not find this years onboard yet

It was just to show how late you see the marshalls post where the yellow was

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by gert

Hmmm, so yellow flag rules don't count if you're Max Verstappen? That's interesting.

Thoses rules count for everyone

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

That was Ricciardo's pole lap last year, coul not find this years onboard yet

It was just to show how late you see the marshalls post where the yellow was

Without the yellow actually being waved, it's a little meaningless.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Without the yellow actually being waved, it's a little meaningless.

It's still the same circuit with the same corners

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

It's still the same circuit with the same corners

But no yellow flag, or a car in the distance in the wall. A different set of circumstances.

[steve nielsen]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

But no yellow flag, or a car in the distance in the wall. A different set of circumstances.

You can still clearly see how late you see the point of that crash or the point of that yellow

and the telemetry does show a lift in the final part of that lap

[gert]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Thoses rules count for everyone

There's no point in making a comparison with Leclerc. Leclerc was ahead of Bottas.

Can you make a comparison between Vettel and Verstappen instead?
You know, the one who lifted for the yellow and the on who did not...

[Akrapovic]

Verstappen couldn't see the yellow flag, despite the flag, his engineer, and Verstappen all confirming it. To prove this, here's a video from a different driver, 12 months ago.

Cool, well this thread has jumped the fanboi shark.

[bjohnsonsmith]

He's now been summoned to the stewards.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/146800

[bjohnsonsmith]

He's now lost pole.

https://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/146802

[Richard C]

Would have liked to have seen Max and Honda on the pole. But I agree with the stewards on this one. Drivers must slow when the see a crash and yellow flag.

Richard

[Adam43]

He had pole in the bag. Oh dear. We love him, but still a little bit of growing up to do.

Him and Leclerc will be fun, still both making mistakes. Although a different kind.

[broadrun96]

Let's see where they pull that penalty reasoning out of their ass this time. The rule states the time is taken off the board, guessing they've used the catch all because we said so rule for that.

That said, this is EXACTLY why the code 60s and all that other police yourself as drivers bs will get someone killed. And why it will never fly in a US based series at least. The lawyers would have a field day with the lawsuits. The drivers simply won't slow consistently, Vettel did today but had been accused of not in the past as have most drivers.

[F1Pete]

Nevermind the yellow flag, the real crime in my opinion is why the hell would they have a blunt barrier sticking out on an outside corner???

Bottas is lucky he was able to step out of the car after hitting. It could have been worse.

Even whatshisname commentator guy said he didn't like that barrier.

That barrier should be rectified prior to the race. It shouldn't have been like that in the first place.

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[Adam43]

Where was the tarmac run off? That is what is needed, it’s what the fans demand. Oh, er,.

OK there is a middle ground, but

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Nevermind the yellow flag, the real crime in my opinion is why the hell would they have a blunt barrier sticking out on an outside corner???

Bottas is lucky he was able to step out of the car after hitting. It could have been worse.

Even whatshisname commentator guy said he didn't like that barrier.

That barrier should be rectified prior to the race. It shouldn't have been like that in the first place.

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Yeah, the first hit wasn't bad but he rode the wall right in to the end of the add-on energy buffer. Unfortunately it's meant for him to hit the middle of the run not the end. I think that's what hurt him more, that barrier stopped him hard and quick.

[Taxi645]

Agreed, that's quite dangerous. If he had hit the wall 50m later his speed at that point would've been even higher.

On the penalty. It's fully justified, what a daft move and comment afterwards. He (and us) are lucky that it's only 3 places so he still has a shot. Still another learned hopefully he can take on board before he really is in a WDC season.

[Peter Mallett]

AFIAK Bottas got onto the kerbs before the turn and it sucked him onto the wall. Does anyone know if he had a steering failure?

Agreed the outcome was pretty nasty due mainly to the end of the barrier but since it is so tight for space I'm not sure what they could do.

As to Max. I'm not entirely sure why waved double yellows should be treated any less than waved single yellows. A yellow flag means "slow down and be prepared to stop" in most racing circles. Max didn't do this and deserved a penalty. But I think the real reason he got penalised was because he basically boasted about it in the post race conference.

Originally Posted by Daily Telegraph Report

After an initial investigation by the FIA, Verstappen was cleared of any transgression. But within moments, he prompted the governing body to examine his conduct again, due to provocative comments in his press conference.

Asked whether he had slowed at all, he shot back: “Didn’t look like it, did it? We all know what the yellow flag means. We know what we are doing, otherwise we wouldn’t be driving an F1 car.”

[wolfhound]

As someone who has been a part of the marshalling comunity and have been handing out decisions on driving standards I would have given Verstappen more than a 3 place penalty. Some day he will be in Bottas's position and wonder why the next young gun has hit his car while in bits at the side of the track.


If he did not see the yellow flag but he did see Bottas's car that means there should be a yellow flag and there was probably a green flag at the corner exit that would have only gone out after the yellow flag was displayed at the previous post.
I have heard of drivers to slowing on seeing the green flag so they can say they lifted off.

[S griffin]

Let's hope there is less controversy in the race. It will be good to see who can make progress today