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View Poll Results: Driver of Belgium 2005 | |||
Kimi Räikkönen | 12 | 9.68% | |
Fernando Alonso | 1 | 0.81% | |
Jenson Button | 26 | 20.97% | |
Mark Webber | 23 | 18.55% | |
Rubens Barrichello | 0 | 0% | |
Jacques Villeneuve | 21 | 16.94% | |
Ralf Schumacher | 9 | 7.26% | |
Tiago Monteiro | 23 | 18.55% | |
Christian Klien | 0 | 0% | |
Felipe Massa | 1 | 0.81% | |
Juan Pablo Montoya | 8 | 6.45% | |
Jarno Trulli | 0 | 0% | |
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11 Sep 2005, 18:11 (Ref:1404824) | #26 | ||
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Kirk - Sure, but no one was that much better compared to the others, that's what I mean
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11 Sep 2005, 18:30 (Ref:1404835) | #27 | ||
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It would seem the assumption is that Montoya was dogging it today for Kimi's benefit. Personally I saw a driver (Kimi) who was absolutely on it and JPM didn't have the pace to match. JPM had the advantage of track position going into the safety car period but once Kimi cleared the slower cars his pace was astounding. Kimi has been the faster of the two pretty much all year and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise today.
I am going to give my vote to JV however. He managed a tricky car on heavy fuel and was quick when he needed to be. Set his fastest lap(s) at the end of the race whilst under pressure from Ralf who set the fastest lap while in pursuit. |
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A torrential afternoon practice session in Watkins Glen saw Villeneuve out-qualify everyone. By 11 seconds.Scheckter stated: "I scared myself rigid that day, I thought I had to be quickest. Then I saw Gilles's time and - I still don't really understand how it was possible. Eleven seconds !" |
11 Sep 2005, 18:49 (Ref:1404853) | #28 | |||
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apart from the pole, the quicker start and erm.... the fact that kimi could have overtaken him at any time but didnt. what would be the point of montoya going hell for leather all race before having to give the lead to kimi, increasing his chances of spinning out or suffering mechanical failure. after gifting the win to kimi he dropped back on clearly shot tyres into the comfortable cushion over alonso in 3rd place. he did all he had to, apart from not get into a tangle with pizzi. no way was montoya the driver off the race but neither was kimi, he was spoonfed a racewin by his teammate. i voted for button. |
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11 Sep 2005, 19:16 (Ref:1404884) | #29 | ||
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Button. He's shown recently he does have a bit of fire in the belly with some overtaking moves. The one on JV was quite impressive.
Speaking of JV, kudos to him. On a one-stopper, the car looked like an absolute beast after his stop but still brought it home in the points. |
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11 Sep 2005, 20:23 (Ref:1404947) | #30 | ||
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JV obVillenously!
In all fairness, JB might deserve it but nah... just too difficult for me. My comments on the others are: KR: Fine drive, he pushed when he had to but it was just too obvious that JPM and/or Mclarens would hand him up the win; JPM: He's got a talent to be at the wrong place at the wrong time; FA: Did what he had to do but that was way too conservative for the title of driver of this eventful race; Monteiro: Fine drive but we didn't see enough of him. His point though is worth more than all those he made at Indy; Ralf: His decision to go with slick was way over-optimistic. It was just too big a mistake; Webber: Fine race too. Actually I should perhaps have voted for him but I don't recall anything about his race other than the fact that he drove a clean one; Massa: not listed but I take offence with his usual after race comment (echoed by Knowlesy) that he would have finished on the podium but for his wrong shift to slicks. It is amazing that those who are criticising the JV fans for their use of would-have-done-great-if arguments use the same counter-argument to cast shade over JV's performance. The fact of the matter is that Massa remained awfully slow and kept being overtaken even after he put back intermediate tyres. Please also have a look to the fastest laps and compare him with JV (FM's fastest lap of the race was 3.5 s. slower than JV's best eventhough FM with his two stop strategy for fuel ran low fuel tank loads more often than JV). JV: A sterling race with a poorly set up car (that's his fault, I agree). He was awfully slow with heavy load of fuels but still was able to keep it on the track and, more importantly, was able to fight clean. He had good, enjoyable to watch and CLEAN fights with Alonso, Button, NK and RS. RB: The first one to get it right with slicks. Too opportunist though... |
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11 Sep 2005, 20:58 (Ref:1404982) | #32 | ||
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I voted for Ralf on the grounds that he was the fastest today until the mistake with the tyres (but otoh, the track had a clear dry line at that point), although I think that Monteiro deserves credit for beating several supposedly faster cars
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11 Sep 2005, 21:02 (Ref:1404988) | #33 | ||
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I voted for Ralf, most pitstops of everyone, was very quick after his first pitstop, team made mistake for the slicks, but came back in the points and drove fastest lap of the race.
But also impressive drivers from both McLarens, Button, Webber, Villeneuve and Monteiro. Altough Monteiro deserved a drive trough penalty for taking Doornbos' grid position |
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11 Sep 2005, 21:06 (Ref:1404993) | #34 | |
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I voted Montoya on the first poll as I think he drove a better race overall than Raikkonen.
I haven't changed my mind about how I rate his race, but I've voted Button now because he really did drive a stonking race. Tactically things worked for him nicely, but he also put in some good moves and overall proved his credentials once again. He's starting to answer my doubts about his overtaking abilities. A pity for Ralf about the decision to change to dries. His pace was such that he may have passed Montoya and been well off into the lead and won the race. |
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11 Sep 2005, 23:58 (Ref:1405149) | #39 | ||
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i cant believe he said that! really cant
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12 Sep 2005, 00:23 (Ref:1405160) | #40 | ||
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No I still don't care. If Sato and Pizzonia hadn't made stupid mistakes he'd be out of the points! If you say he did well because he finished ahead of Klien and Massa I can agree on that one obviously. But being in the points is totally irrelevant. If Pizzonia hadn't taken out JPM and Monteiro didn't get any points would his effort not be as good as it is now? So, that's why I don't care AT ALL if he scored points or not. He did well beating a redbull and a sauber, but whether he got points or not, I don't see why I should care.
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Still not seeing any evidence to support the fact that JPM had the advantage over Kimi today. He probably did make way for Kimi as well but what would the alternative be? Have Kimi attack him and risk having them both off. I'm not trying to knock JPM here either. I like the guy and his ballsy style, but right now he doesn't have the measure of Raikonnen. |
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12 Sep 2005, 02:52 (Ref:1405205) | #42 | ||
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Verry close one between J-V., Webber, Button and Monteiro but my vot goes to j-v because he had the 5ft best average time and that on a one stopper.
1 M. WEBBER 1:54.713 2 R. SCHUMACHER 1:54.969 3 J. BUTTON 1:55.107 4 K. RAIKKONEN 1:55.772 5 J. VILLENEUVE 1:56.107 Massa 12e 12 F. MASSA 1:58.383 And the 7th best lap of the race. 1 R. SCHUMACHER 1:51.453 2 M. WEBBER 1:52.287 3 C. KLIEN 1:52.582 4 R. BARRICHELLO 1:52.590 5 J. BUTTON 1:53.323 6 K. RAIKKONEN 1:53.810 7 J. VILLENEUVE 1:54.251 16 F. MASSA 1:57.748 |
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12 Sep 2005, 03:43 (Ref:1405222) | #43 | ||
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Easy decision for me - not too often that my favourite driver is listed amongst the potentials for driver of the race.
A good strategy and a good drive culminated in a handy three points for JV, at the right time of the season. He's my man of the race. |
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12 Sep 2005, 03:45 (Ref:1405225) | #44 | ||
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My fair and balanced vote goes to...
*drumroll please* ...JV!!!!
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12 Sep 2005, 04:47 (Ref:1405244) | #45 | ||
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MW P4 JV P6 TS DNF Sato 16 races 1 point Sato has already got a 10-place grid penalty for the next race so he can't get another 10-place grid penalty if his engine blows so he can do alot of laps in practice. My vote went to JV. |
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12 Sep 2005, 05:12 (Ref:1405250) | #46 | ||
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Button for the overtaking moves ahead of several very worthy performances
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12 Sep 2005, 05:17 (Ref:1405252) | #47 | ||
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I thought JB and MW were almost equal for driver of the race. In the end I gave it to Webber because of the decision to change to slicks at the right time enabled him to gain a couple of places
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12 Sep 2005, 05:35 (Ref:1405256) | #48 | ||
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I voted for Mark Webber, given he's been prone to making mistakes (and having accidents) in recent races, which have cost him and whoever he's tangled with dearly. Some might say he's also had his fair share of bad luck in the recent past, too... So given the day's trying conditions in which it was so easy to be caught out (as shown), I think he drove a really good race. Being the first driver to change to slick and to have it pay off was well timed/calculated, too.
I also think that Button drove a really smart race. |
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12 Sep 2005, 06:07 (Ref:1405265) | #49 | ||
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Button, Kimi, Mark, JV, Schu Jnr
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12 Sep 2005, 06:20 (Ref:1405271) | #50 | |||
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Wouldnt those times provide greater evidence for either Ralf or Webber as opposed to JV? RS and MW get my choice though, Ralf got the setup right, but was robbed with that stategy error, whilst Webber kept it together and didnt lose his cool in the first sting being stuck midfield. |
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