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After Thruxton's mayhem, 19 cars arrived at Silverstone...
Round 6 – June 9, 1985 at Silverstone- 20 laps 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti/33m23.95 2./#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi/34m10.63 3./#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra/34m20.27 4./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse/34m26.18 5./#2/Pete Hall/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse/34m35.06 6./#44/Richard Longman/Datapost/B/Ford Escort RS Turbo/34m39.59- 1st class B 7./#12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW 635CSi/34m45.52 8./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo/34m50.93 9./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/34m58.66 10./#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/34m59.91 11./#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/35m07.63 12./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffeys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps-1st class C 13./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 14./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 15./#41/Terry Drury/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/18 laps 16./#62/Tony Crudgington/Crudgington/C/Toyota Corolla GT/18 laps NCF./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/13 laps- DNF./#5?/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/1 lap- turbo DNF./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/1 lap- brakes Got the Motoring News report, so can fill in a bit of background to this one. A fairly dull race, dominated by Rouse after Brodie's lap 2 turbo failure. It could have been very different- Brodie putting the Starion on pole, over 2 seconds faster than Rouse- and no less than 4 seconds(!) under Rouse's 1984 Silverstone lap record.... It was livened up by an entertaining duel for 3rd in class between ARDT team-mates Dooley & Kirby, culminating in both spinning on the penultimate lap, although a down-on-power Phil Dowsett was too far back to capitalize. The Class C battle was an epic: Quote:
1- Brodie (Starion/A)- 1m35.23 2- Rouse (XR4Ti/A)- 1m37.53 3- McGrath (Rover/A)- 1m38.74 4- Sytner (635CSi/A) 1m40.11 5- Goode (Bluebird Turbo/B)- 1m40.60 6- Sheene (Supra/A)- 1m40.92 7- Hall (Rover/A)- 1m42.29 8- Longman (Escort RS Turbo/B)- 1m42.31 9- Dooley (GTV6/B)- 1m42.75 10- Newman (635CSi/A)- 1m43.69 11- Kirby (GTV6/B)- 1m43.74 12- Dowsett (GTV6/B)- 1m43.99 13- Curnow (RS1600i/C)- 1m46.97 14- Belcher (RS1600i/C)- 1m47.40 15- Hodgetts (RS1600i/C) -1m47.94 16- Morris (RS1600i/C)- 1m48.52 17- Watts (RS1600i/C)- 1m48.67 18- Drury (GTV6/B)- 1m49.19 19- Crudgington (Corolla/C) 1m52.27 Some background on the entry: Two additions to the entry, one very significant- Longman's Escort RS Turbo finally homologated, The other was a returning Tony Crudgington, whose Corolla had been sidelined by 'a heavy practice off' at Silverstone in March. Sponsorship now came from Clausthaler Lager (appropriately, as Tony was a publican) According to the report, no-shows from the published entry list were Geoff Kimber-Smith's Corolla, Barry Lee's RS1600i, and- Steve Soper in a TWR Rover... Several teams had had a busy time since Thruxton:
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A recap Round 1- Silverstone A- McGrath- 1m40.65 B- Goode- 1m44.02 C- Belcher- 1m48.05 Round 2- Oulton A- Brodie- 1m30.35 B- Dooley- 1m32.40 C- Belcher- 1m35.34 Round 3- Thruxton A- Brodie- 1m27.56 B- Kirby- 1m29.79 C- Belcher- 1m31.50 Round 4- Donington A- Rouse- 1m20.11 B- Goode- 1m22.10 C- Curnow- 1m25.22 Round 5- Thruxton- don't know Round 6- Silverstone A- Rouse- 1m38.36 B- Longman- 1m42.59 C- Curnow- 1m47.10 I'll post the others as I go |
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Yes, I'd like to take a look at the race report for that one- Hall's qualifying performances were quite often in the lower end of the top 10, and outpaced by the fastest Class B car, but outqualified by the fastest couple of 1600s and 9th and last in the race here suggests the Rover might not have been 100% healthy...
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19 Jan 2010, 20:59 (Ref:2615918) | #31 | |
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We already have the full result, but I'll add the grid:
Round 7 – July 14, 1985 at Donington Park 20 laps 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti, 20 laps in 27m16.84s, class winner 2./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, 20 laps in 27m20.11s 3./ #31 / Graham Goode / Goode / B / Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 20 laps in 27m36.42s, class winner 4./ #11 / Neil McGrath / unknown / A / Rover Vitesse, 20 laps in 27m36.99s 5./ #7 / Barry Sheene / HofB / A / Toyota Celica Supra, 20 laps in 27m37.56s 6./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 27m47.49 7./ #12 / Mike Newman / Newman / A / BMW 635CSi, 20 laps in 28m01.48s 8./ #44 / Richard Longman / Longman / B / Ford Escort RS Turbo, 20 laps in 28m05.58s 9./ #30 / Jon Dooley / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m09.23s 10./ #?? / Mark Hales / unknown / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m17.92s 11./ #32 / Rob Kirby / Dooley / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m20.46s 12./ #40 / Phil Dowsett / Drury / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6, 20 laps in 28m32.05s 13./ #8 / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / BMW 635CSi, 19 laps 14./ #69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps, class winner 15./ #79 / John Morris / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 19 laps 16./ #2 / Peter Hall / Rouse / A / Rover Vitesse, 19 laps 17./ #77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / Kimber-Smith / C / Toyota Corolla GT, 19 laps 18./ #62 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / C / Toyota Corolla GT, 18 laps DNF / #66 / Alan Curnow / Longman / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 11 laps DNF / #74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffrey / C / Ford Escort RS1600i, 10 laps Grid 1- Rouse (XR4Ti/A) 1m19.40 2- Brodie (Starion/A) 1m19.53 3- Goode (Bluebird Turbo/B) 1m20.51 4- Sytner (635CSi/A) 1m21.16 5- Sheene (Supra/A) 1m21.19 6- McGrath (Rover/A) 1m21.23 7- Newman (635CSi/A) 1m21.75 8- Hall (Rover/A) 1m22.02 9- Longman (Escort RS Turbo/B) 1m22.37 10-Dooley (GTV6/B) 1m22.78 11-Hales (GTV6/B) 1m23.10 12-Kirby (GTV6/B) 1m23.98 13-Chatfield (635CSi/A) 1m24.27 14-Dowsett (GTV6/B) 1m24.76 15-Belcher (Escort RS1600i/C) 1m25.12 16-Hodgetts (Escort RS1600i/C) 1m25.38 17-Curnow (Escort RS1600i/C) 1m25.70 18-Morris (Escort RS1600i/C) 1m26.39 19-Crudgington (Corolla/C) 1m27.30 20-Kimber-Smith (Corolla/C) 1m28.45 Fastest race laps: A: Brodie: 1m19.54? B: Goode: 1m21.23 C: Hodgetts: 1m 25.72 Entry was pretty much as for Silverstone- Mark Hales replaced team boss Drury in the TDR Alfa, and Brian Chatfield was back- the Capris replaced by a 635 (think it was the ex-Stuck/Cheylesmore & David Kennedy/Grundig car?) |
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Round 8 – July 21, 1985 as a British Grand Prix support race at Silverstone
15 laps Class A: 1/.#1 / Andy Rouse / Industrial Control Services Ltd / Ford Sierra XR4Ti/A/25m00.15 2./#5 / David Brodie / Mitsubishi Colt Racing / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/A/ 3./#15 / Klaus Niedzwiedz / Radio Paging / Ford Sierra XR4Ti/A/25m14.59 4./#11 / Neil McGrath / Castrol Racing with Connells Estate Agents plc / Rover Vitesse/A/25m40.73 5./#44 / Richard Longman / Royal Mail Datapost / Ford Escort RS Turbo- 1st class B/25m50.29 6./#30 / Jon Dooley / Napolina Alfa Romeo Dealer Team / Alfa Romeo GTV6/B/26m12.76 7./#2 / Peter Hall / Industrial Control Services Ltd / Rover Vitesse/A/26m14.22 8./#41 / Mark Hales / Terry Drury Racing / Alfa Romeo GTV6/B/26m22.43 9./#40 / Phil Dowsett / Terry Drury Racing / Alfa Romeo GTV6/B/26m36.79 10./#32 / Rob Kirby / John West Foods / Alfa Romeo GTV6/B/14 laps 11./#8 / Brian Chatfield / Brian Chatfield / BMW 635CSi/A/14 laps 12./#33 / Alan Minshaw / Demon Tweeks Race Accessories – Triple C Magazine / VW Golf GTI/B/14 laps 13./#69 / Chris Hodgetts / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i- 1st class C/14 laps 14./#77 / Geoff Kimber-Smith / AGK Motorsport / Toyota Corolla GT/C/14 laps 15./#4 / Dennis Leech / Dennis Leech / Rover Vitesse/A/14 laps 16./#62 / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / Toyota Corolla GT/C/14 laps 17./#10 / Mike Smith / Ilford Photo / Ford Escort RS Turbo/B/14 laps 18./#63 / Karl Jones / Autocar Magazine with Marshall Asquith / Ford Escort RS1600i/C/13 laps 19./#84 / Barry Lee / Barry Lee / Ford Escort RS1600i/C/12 laps DNF./#9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner BMW Racing with GSi / BMW 635CSi/A/11 laps/gearbox DNF./#79 / John Morris / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i/C/8 laps- suspension DNF./#7 / Barry Sheene / Team Toyota GB-Hughes of Beaconsfield / Toyota Celica Supra/A/8 laps-accident DNF./#6 / Vern Schuppan / Mitsubishi Colt Racing / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/A/7 laps- turbo DNF./#66 / Alan Curnow / Royal Mail Datapost / Ford Escort RS1600i/C/6 laps- engine DNF./#74 / Richard Belcher / John Jeffreys Engineering Ltd / Ford Escort RS1600i/C/5 laps- engine DNF./#70 / Patrick Watts / North Essex Motorsport / Ford Escort RS1600i/C/3 laps- engine DNF./#85 / Alex Moss / Brooklyn Motorsport-ECS / Ford Escort RS1600i/C/1 lap- engine DQ./#31 / Graham Goode / Graham Goode / Nissan Bluebird Turbo (5th on the road- 25m42.20) DNS./#65 / Stig Gruen / Stig Gruen / Toyota Corolla GT- possibly DNQ? DNS./#12 / Mike Newman / Burlington Wallcoverings Ltd / BMW 635CSi- DNQ, engine Grid (no qualifying times or fastest race laps on my notes- has anyone got them?) 1- Brodie (Starion/A) 2- Rouse (XR4Ti/A) 3- Niedzwiedz (XR4Ti/A) 4- Goode (Nissan/B) 5- Sheene (Supra/A) 6- McGrath (Rover/A) 7- Longman (Escort RS Turbo/B) 8- Leech (Rover/A) 9- Sytner (635CSi/A) 10-Hall (Rover/A) 11-Dooley (GTV6/B) 12-Dowsett (GTV6/B) 13-Schuppan (Starion/A) 14-Hales (GTV6/B) 15-Dowsett (GTV6/B) 16-Chatfield (635CSi/A) 17-Curnow (RS1600i/C) 18-Belcher (RS1600i/C) 19-Hodgetts (RS1600i/C) 20-Morris (RS1600i/C) 21-Minshaw (Golf GTi/B) 22-Kimber-Smith (Corolla/C) 23-Watts or Moss (RS1600i/C) 24-Lee (RS1600i/C) 25-Crudgington (Corolla/C) 26-Jones (RS1600i/C) 27-Smith (Escort RS Turbo/B) 28?- Watts or Moss (RS1600i/C) DNQ?- Gruen (Corolla/C) DNQ- Newman (635CSi/A) - Think we've covered the changes to the entry here in an earlier post, but as always, a few extra cars on the grid for a GP support. Seasonal debuts here for: Class A 2nd Rouse Sierra (Klaus Niedzwiedz)- second car seen at the 2 GP supports and the TT, with BT Radiopaging sponsorship 2nd Brodie Starion (Vern Schuppan) Schuppan would also share the car with Brodie at the TT. Class B: Ilford Photo Escort RS Turbo- Mike Smith, presumably his regular prodsaloon? He'd be back at Brands later in the year Demon Tweeks Golf- Alan Minshaw: the Demon Tweeks Mk2 Golf only came out a couple of times in '85- the GP meeting and the TT, Minshaw basically racing for fun having sunk a considerable amount of money into what proved to be an uncompetitive car Class C: Marshall-Asquith RS1600i (Karl Jones) A one-off appearance- I'd been puzzled by the story behind this, as I'd never seen any other mention of Gerry Marshall being involved with an RS1600i- Karl Jones was usually doing prodsaloons in a Fiat Strada Abarth. I asked Gregor M. about it on another forum, and he filled in the details- a one-off entry in an Escort hired from Richard Longman. Barry Lee RS1600i- the first of a couple of 1985 appearances for Lee's Escort, last seen in 'Total' colours the previous season |
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Round 9- Snetterton 11 Aug 1985: 25 laps
1./#1/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Ford Sierra XR4Ti/30m57.87 2./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse/31m10.03 3./#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi/31m27.75 4./#44/Richard Longman/Datapost/B/Ford Escort RS Turbo- 1st Class B/31m29.64 5./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse/31m31.52 6./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo/31m32.58 7./#40/Phil Dowsett/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/32m00.86 8./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/32m06.93 9./#41/Mark Hales/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/32m24.71 10./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- 1st Class C/24 laps 11./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffreys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/24 laps 12./#62/Tony Crudgington/Crudgington/C/Toyota Corolla GT/24 laps 13./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/24 laps 14./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/24 laps 15./#85/Alex Moss/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/23 laps 16./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/21 laps DNF/#5/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitusbishi Starion Turbo/13 laps- turbo DNF/#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/9 laps- transmission DNF/#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra/9 laps- electrics DNF/#84/Barry Lee/Lee/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/8 laps- engine DNF/#77/Geoff KimberSmith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT/7 laps- propshaft Grid (again no times or fastest race laps) 1- Brodie (Starion/A) 2- Rouse (XR4Ti/A) 3- McGrath (Rover/A) 4- Sytner (635CSi/A) 5- Hall (Rover/A) 6- Sheene (Supra/A) 7- Goode (Nissan/B) 8- Longman (Escort RS Turbo/B) 9- Dooley (GTV6/B) 10-Kirby (GTV6/B) 11- 12- 13-Hodgetts (RS1600i/C) 14-Belcher (RS1600i/C) 15- 16-Curnow (RS1600i/C) 17-Morris (RS1600i/C) 18-Kimber-Smith (Corolla/C) 19-Crudgington (Corolla/C) 20- 21-Moss (RS1600i/C) I seem to be missing qualifying positions for the two Drury Alfas, and the Watts & Lee RS1600is The entry was mainly the usual suspects, without the various one-offs and guest appearances from the GP meeting. Notably absent from Class A was Mike Newman- apparently on holiday in France. Additions were the 3rd Brooklyn Escort for Alex Moss (a regular for the rest of the season) and Barry Lee's Escort, not seen again after this meeting |
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Round 10- Brands Hatch, 26 Aug 1985. Indy Circuit, 40 laps
1./#3/Tom Walkinshaw/TWR/A/Rover Vitesse/34m14.43 2./#1/Andy Rouse/Rouse/A/Ford Sierra XR4Ti/34m45.84 3./#5/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/34m47.44 4./#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra/39 laps 5./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse/39 laps 6./#31/Graham Goode/Goode/B/Nissan Bluebird Turbo- 1st Class B/39 laps 7./#44/Richard Longman/Datapost/B/Ford Escort RSTurbo/39 laps 8./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- 1st Class C/38 laps 9./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/38 laps 10./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffreys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/38 laps 11./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/38 laps 12./#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT/38 laps 13./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/38 laps 14./#62/Tony Crudgington/Crudgington/C/Toyota Corolla GT/37 laps 15./#85/Alex Moss/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i//37 laps DNF/#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6- 13 laps- engine DNF/#12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW 635CSi- 10 laps- electrics DNF/#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6- 6 laps- gearbox(broken gear lever?) DNF/#65/Stig Gruen/Gruen/C/Toyota Corolla GT-4 laps engine (possibly overheating- the MN report describes it expiring 'in a cloud of steam') Fastest Laps- A- Brodie- 50.54s B- Goode- 52.10s C-Hodgetts- 53.27s Grid: 1- Brodie (Starion/A) 49.77s 2- Walkinshaw (Rover/A) 50.55s 3- Rouse (XR4Ti/A) 50.60s 4- Sheene (Supra/A) 50.87s 5- Goode (Nissan/B) 51.42s 6- Longman (Escort RS Turbo/B) 51.76s 7- Hall (Rover/A) 52.02s 8- Newman (635CSi/A) 52.07s 9- Dooley (GTV6/B) 52.33s 10- Kirby (GTV6/B) 52.89s 11- Hodgetts (RS1600i/C) 53.24s 12- Crudgington (Corolla/C) 53.51s 13- Curnow (RS1600i/C) 52.52s 14- Belcher (RS1600i/C) 53.64s 15- Kimber-Smith (Corolla/C) 53.95s 16- Morris (RS1600i/C) 54.26s 17- Watts (RS1600i/C) 54.68s 18- Moss (RS1600i/C) 54.70s 19- Gruen (Corolla/C) 55.47s Again, I've got the Motoring News report so can fill in some background Big news here was the unexpected appearance of Tom Walkinshaw in what the report described as an 'unsignwritten ETC testing hack Rover'-the car was in Bastos colours, but without the sponsors' logos and signwriting. Walkinshaw was running outside the championship, as the car wasn't registered for points. His reason for racing according to the MN report was to 'give my neck a workout.I trapped a nerve when I was T-boned in New Zealand earlier this year, and I've been having physio since. It flared up again after Spa, and now I'm checking it'll be OK for the TT' He was also testing new wheel rims Graham Goode had been deducted 10 championship points for his exclusion at the Silverstone GP support earlier in the season. Mike Newman was back after missing Snetterton in favour of a holiday in the South of France- his 635 also having had an engine rebuild, but still not performing as it should- 'I've no revs at the top end' Class B was suffering from a 50% shortfall in Alfas- the Terry Drury pair absent here. Jon Dooley's ARDT car was now in John West colours, Napolina having withdrawn as a sponsor Richard Belcher went off into the tyres during the untimed practice session, the Jeffreys car being repaired (although slightly scarred) for first qualifying. North Essex Motorsport boss Julian May loaned the headlights from his road car to help repair the Escort! |
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Round 11 – October 6, 1985 at Brands Hatch 20 laps
1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti/33m34.42 2./ #15/ David Sears / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti/33m34.62 3./ #5 / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/33m46.76 4./ #9 / Frank Sytner / Sytner / A / BMW 635CSi/34m23.64 5./ #12 / Mike Newman / Newman / A / BMW 635CSi/34m40.40 6./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse/34m51.96 7./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse/34m52.15 8./#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6- 1st Class B/34m52.86 9./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/35m01.35 10./#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- 1st Class C/19 laps 11./#8/Brian Chatfield/Chatfield/A/BMW 635CSi/19 laps 12./#41?/Barry Barnes/Drury/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6/19 laps 13./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 14./#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT/19 laps 15./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffreys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 16./#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 17./#85/Alex Moss/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/19 laps 18./#44/Richard Longman/Datapost/B/Ford Escort RS Turbo/19 laps 19./#??/David Grimshaw/Racal Vodaphone/B/Ford Escort RS Turbo/18 laps 20./#??/Alex Postan/Joe Simons Racing/B/Renault 5GT Turbo/18 laps DNF/#4/Dennis Leech/Leech/A/Rover Vitesse/12 laps- accident DNF/#10/Mike Smith/Ilford/B/Ford Escort RS Turbo/ 5 laps- gearbox DNF/#62/Tony Crudgington/Crudgington/C/Toyota Corolla GT- broken gear lever DNF/#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/A/Ford Escort RS1600i- 0 laps- gearbox output shaft DNS/#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra- DNS- ignition? (stopped on green flag lap) Pole- Brodie Fastest Laps- A-Brodie, 1m38.63 B-Longman, 1m42.45 C-Hodgetts 1m44.52 Grid: 1- Brodie (Starion/A) 1m38.46 2- Rouse (XR4Ti/A) 1m38.88 3- Sytner (635CSi/A) 1m40.29 4- Sears (XR4Ti/A) 1m40.47 5- McGrath (Rover/A) 1m40.79 6- Longman (Escort RS Turbo/B) 1m41.17 7- Leech (Rover/A) 1m41.42 8- Sheene (Supra/A) 1m42.13 9- Dooley (GTV6/B) 1m42.52 10- Newman (635CSi/A) 1m42.59 11- Hall (Rover/A) 1m42.76 12- Kirby (GTV6/B) 1m43.86 13- Hodgetts (RS1600i/C) 1m43.90 14- Belcher (RS1600i/C) 1m45.74 15- Barnes (GTV6/B) 1m45.74 16- Curnow (RS1600i/C) 1m45.85 17- Morris (RS1600i/C) 1m45.95 18- Smith (Escort RS Turbo/B) 1m46.00 19- Chatfield (635CSi/A) 1m46.32 20- Crudgington (Corolla/C) 1m46.91 21- Watts (RS1600i/C) 1m46.91 22- Kimber-Smith (Corolla/C) 1m46.99 23- Moss (RS1600i/C) 1m49.13 24- Grimshaw (Escort RS Turbo/B) 1m51.36 25- Postan (Renault 5 Turbo/B) 1m52.03 Some background from the Autosport & MN reports... Several new faces in the entry: David Sears in the BT Radiopaging Rouse Sierra Barry Barnes in the sole Drury Alfa David Grimshaw in his Racal Vodaphone-sponsored Escort RS Turbo prodsaloon Alex Postan in a Renault 5GT Turbo Challenge car- this was run by Joe Simons Racing, sponsored by Elephant Memory Systems. The team had a difference of opinion with the scrutineers, having apparently misread the regulations- the little Renault was seriously underweight and had to be ballasted for the race... Returning were Dennis Leech's Rover, only seen at a handful of rounds this year, and Mike Smith's RS Turbo- the Ilford Photo car described as 'now more of a Group A machine' by Motoring News. Autosport went into slightly more detail- apparently it wasn't Mike's regular prodsaloon mount: 'The car itself came from Ford at Boreham and began life as a rally machine- the ride height wasnt quite right, and it was maybe 40bhp down on Longman's car, but it was still really quick in a straight line.' According to Smith 'It was a really levelling experience. If you've ever tried waterskiing, you'll know what I mean, the power is phenomenal, I was just hanging on' Brodie's Starion was running on Pirellis for the first time- the Pirelli D5s he used in qualifying described by Autosport as 'probably the best tyres in Europe apart from the unobtainable 17" Dunlops seen on the European Rovers....' The Sears XR4Ti was carrying a camera for Ford- Sears commented 'It's difficult trying to keep Andy in the frame though. It's hard enough trying to concentrate on sticking with him, without having a camera to worry about too' Sytner qualified 3rd on super-soft Pirelli D7 qualifying tyres- and opted to start the race on a set of them as well.... 'I've got nothing to lose, I might as well put on a show for the public' |
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Wonder if that was actually the car that got pranged by Steve Soper at the Donington ETC round earlier that year, which was then rebuilt and used as a spare car?
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I'm currently typing an unofficial point standing comparing it with the standing on the BTCC site: http://www.btcc.net/html/history_sta...p?season_id=28 For most drivers it seems to match, but missing fastest laps from round 5 at Thruxton, round 8 at Silverstone, round 9 at Snetterton and round 12 at Silverstone does screw the tally for some top drivers. For class A I can deduce that Andy Rouse was likely to be fastest on three of these occasions, while Dave Brodie would have been fastest in the remaining round. That would make Brodie the "winner" with six fastest laps to Rouse's five, the final (actually first round) going to Neil McGrath. Class B points seems to be a bit of a mess but class winner Rob Kirby could do with a bonus point as it seems right now. Chris Hodgetts seems to have taken three fastest laps so far unaccounted for while Richard Belcher and Tony Crudgington likely has one apiece making it a total of five missing fastest laps in four races! I will likely finish the tables for some time tomorrow, but any additional information regarding fastest laps in these four races will be most helpful. Jesper |
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http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...Donington.html does tell of another Rover 1-2-3 victory, although Soper was rested for the race it seems. To re-build the car and painting it up in the regular colours seems sensible enough. I don't know weather the Bastos letters were painted or a set of stickers, but would not be my first choice to apply if the car was relegated to that of a spare, time consuming as it would be. Regarding the missing Bastos signature I looked at a few British F1 Grand Prix pictures of Lotus, McLaren and Zakspeed running without tobacco advertising ..at the Marlboro British Grand Prix! This would have effected a BTCC race at Brands Hatch too, I would suspect? Jesper |
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1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship – unofficial standing
Class A (2501-3600 cc):
Notes: Missing bonus points likely for Andy Rouse (3) and Dave Brodie (1) Pete Hall finished last overall and fourth in class at round 5 at Thruxton, but don't know the number of laps he completed. He could have been classified as "Not classified" on this ground thus receiving no points ...and the point calculations would match. Brian Chatfield has been devided into his Ford Capri starts and his BMW starts in the BTCC classification. I have combined both simply because this was a drivers championship. Tom Walkinshaw winning his only start, but not registered for the championship. But note that Andy Rouse only received 6 points as best registered driver! Class B (1601-2500 cc):
Notes: Missing bonus points likely for Rob Kirby (1), Phil Dowsett (1), Terry Drury (1). This is very speculative so I don't trust myself too much on this matter. Richard Longman has two points too many from my calculations and don't know why. Graham Goode deducted 10 points for being disqualified at round 8 and probably more. Class C (Under 1600 cc):
Notes: Missing bonus points likely for Chris Hodgetts (1), Richard Belcher (1), Tony Crudgington (1) and Geoff Kimber-Smith (3!, more likely 1). The 3 point difference for Geoff Kimber-Smith I can't explain except as a calculation mistake (the BTCC page or mine) or that one of his DNFs were in fact eligeble for 2 or 3 points. Legend: 9, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 points for top-6 positions 6, 4, 0 points for top-3 positions? * indicates bonus point for fastest race lap, though missing from rounds 5, 8, 9 and 12 [] indicates position outside top-6 in class () indicate dropped worst scores DNF did not finish DSQ disqualified DNS did not start - indicates no participation Best 9 from 12 rounds to be counted Jesper Last edited by Jesper OH; 22 Jan 2010 at 18:51. Reason: Changing Touring to Saloon in the heading, note on Pete Hall |
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Without reading the whole Rover thread to check, as I remember, Ken Clarke told us at some point that early cars had steel rollcages and were painted black inside, and later cars had alloy cages and were painted white- the change coming around 1984/5. Certainly most Bastos car pics show cars with white interiors, whereas earlier cars (Fleet, Hepolite, Sanyo) seem to be predominantly black. Re the signwriting, the Brands car doesn't just lack not just missing the Bastos lettering- Comparing it with this pic of a car in 'non-Bastos' guise at the Nurburgring in '85, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ro...e_19850706.jpg , the Brands car also lacks the 'Texaco' lettering on the white band between the headlights- there's a prominent 'Dunlop' decal in it's place. I'm guessing that the absence of Bastos lettering at Brands wasn't just down to tobacco advertsing restrictions, but probably because Bastos simply weren't paying the bills for a race outside the ETCC schedule? |
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Herbie Clips was definitely around- it had appeared as a sponsor on occasional rally Rovers in '83/84, and did show up as a sponsor on a BTCC entry in '85- Soper's Metro Turbo one-off at the Silverstone season-opener was backed by Howley Engines, Silver Shield Windscreens and Herbie Clips
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How I saw the '85 series entry list had we not suffered the major manufacturer withdrawals during and at the end of 1984: Class A 2501-3600 Rouse + Sears or guests, ARE Sierra XR4TI's Pond + Schlesser/Lovett/Soper/Allam? ARG TWR Rover Vitesse's Weaver + Woodman, CC/BMW GB, BMW 635 CSi's Sytner + Sutherland? Sytner BMW 635 CSi's Sheene + Dron/Hodgetts, Hughes/Toyota GB Celica Supra's Brodie, Colt/BBW Starion Turbo Leech Vitesse McGrath, Linden Vitesse Hall, ARE Vitesse Newman 635 Csi Chatfield Capri/635 Plus the unknown customer of the red 635 ordered by BMW GB? Plus privateer Volvo 240 (Julian May?) would've been worth it I think at least one car would have been entered) Class B 1601-2500 Longman Datapost RS Turbo Watts + Brundle Dowson ARG Metro Turbo's Taft Klaxon Metro Turbo Belcher + Roger Jones or Vic Covey John Jeffrey/Silverscreen Metro Turbos? Dooley + Kirby ARDT GTV6's Dowsett + Smith + Hales Drury GTV6's Goode Nissan Bluebird Turbo TBA x2, Sytner BMW 325i's? Class C to 1600 Hodgetts + Morris + 1 Brooklyn Escort's Curnow Datapost Escort Belcher (I reckon he'd have run a Metro if Dowson had continued I think it was mentioned as a rumour in off season) John Jeffrey Escort Pegasus Escort Julian May Escort? Greenhalgh Golf GTi Crudgington Corolla GK-S Corolla Gruen Corolla Thinking back, can anyone else think of rumoured entrants for that year that didn't materialse, that I've missed? Last edited by chunterer; 24 Jan 2010 at 11:15. |
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