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1 May 2004, 16:52 (Ref:957948)
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Personally I could put up with RFH missing one LMES season, if they came back with a new LMP1 car in 2005. Is Dome the manufactuer of choice? I've read that RFH were considering there future in sportscars last year, due to the poor showing of the FIA SCC. I guess now the team is very upbeat about the LMES and want to give the series a good go in 2005 with a new car. 
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1 May 2004, 22:29 (Ref:958184)
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Also, are Goddard going to race in the LMES after Monza?
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2 May 2004, 00:30 (Ref:958253)
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Earlier in the thread someone mentioned a Lucchini LMP 1. Are there any renderings of this car?
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2 May 2004, 00:49 (Ref:958258)
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2 May 2004, 23:55 (Ref:958935)
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Anymore cars that will not be at Monza but will race in the rest of the LMES?
Epsillon 2 Courage C65 Goddard 1 or 2 Reynard K2 Racing Taurus 1 or 2 Lola Lucchinni LMP1? JMB 575GTC? Vitaphone S7-R Vauxhall/Holden Monaro Last edited by JAG; 2 May 2004 at 23:57. |
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3 May 2004, 08:52 (Ref:959107)
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It seems that Courage won't be at Monza this weekend. They're working on the engineprobs they encoountered at PQ and will concentrate on the test they'll have next week.
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3 May 2004, 12:35 (Ref:959301)
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Konrad will be at Monza! Im sure!! Michael Bartels talked about it in the FIA GT broadcast. Its on Uwe Alzen's site. Im sure at least once Konrad car will be there for Alzen/Bartels/Konrad (DSC has even taken off them!) im 100% sure
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3 May 2004, 12:51 (Ref:959330)
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Well at least the cars that have been pulled from Monza (Taurus, Courage, K2 etc.) WILL be racing in the rest of the championship along with an updated Goddard Reynard and the 2 Epsilon Courages.
There are probably a few other suprises as well. Last edited by JAG; 3 May 2004 at 12:53. |
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3 May 2004, 13:56 (Ref:959401)
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Sorry to be repetitive, but....
Doesn't the fact that these teams will now miss the Monza race mean that their chances for the LMES season championship will be greatly damaged? There are only four races...they will get Zero points by not showing up... That could be a major deficit to overcome... and the top two in season points by class get automatic bids to LM 2005... It takes the "choice" out of the hands of the Committee...which proved this year to be less than stellar in the creation of their "invite" list.... I don't think these teams are making a good choice by missing Monza.... In some cases, it is NOT a choice (Taurus & Courage with the engine problems, etc...)... But teams that "Could" be there..."should" be there |
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3 May 2004, 14:25 (Ref:959419)
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Did Taurus pull both cars, or just the diesel?
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3 May 2004, 14:28 (Ref:959420)
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I think this season, the automatic LM places are less of a concern for Euro prototype teams.
Most teams are just thankfull we have a championship worthy of these cars. A number of teams such as RFH will be evaluating the championship ready for an attack on the series next year. |
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3 May 2004, 15:09 (Ref:959441)
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In hindsight, RfH now has two entries for the 2004 LM race... But a few weeks ago, wasn't Mr. Lammers rather upset that he had only ONE entry when he felt he deserved TWO???? and weren't various Forum members (myself included) podering and sharing our disbelief when it came to "who got invited" and "who didn't".... One other question: Why should we believe that the 2005 LMES schedule will be much different than this year's???? Won't they try to maintain some form of continuity for venues and dates???? I understand that there are needed preparations to get cars ready for the big date in mid-June..... But others who are racing at Le Mans have chosen to compete at Monza...even Intersport...who has stayed in Europe to race there... Why??? They think they can learn something more that will help them for the big race a month later.... IMO, I think that teams would be better served to compete this weekend...that's all... It will help them in the short run for LM, and in the long run for a possible 2005 bid... |
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3 May 2004, 15:22 (Ref:959447)
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Taurus and Courage have engine problems, Epsilon is not ready yet, same for Goddard (new paddle shift being fitted) and K2.
Many Euro teams have not been able to plan properly for this first LMES season, after the disaster of the FIA SCC and the uncertaintly of prototype racing. Now the LMES seems to have established itself, they will go into next season much better prepared and ready for the early season races. Last edited by JAG; 3 May 2004 at 15:25. |
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3 May 2004, 15:22 (Ref:959448)
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BTW...
The new Entry List on this site in the main index still shows 44 cars...a good start for the LMES Season!!!! and after Le Mans, the fields will be even larger... Two Questions: 1. Does anyone know if there will be "Live Timing & Scoring" on the LMES site???? 2. Does anyone know any specifics on when this LMES race will be taped, televised, or done as a highlight show on "SpeedChannel" here in North America???? THanks! |
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3 May 2004, 15:28 (Ref:959450)
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More specifics about the number of races, and the projected venues was announced in June 2003....plus the LM 1000K in November... Preliminary date for the Season were announced sometime either in the late fall of the winter.... THus, I don't know if I really buy that argument... If teams are having problems with engines, paddle shifters, etc, or even securing the $$$ to get the cars, ready, OK.... I just can't buy the "Let's Wait & See if it is Real" theory when the ACO was behind it and it has been big news for more than a year.... |
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3 May 2004, 15:29 (Ref:959452)
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3 May 2004, 15:30 (Ref:959454)
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Two automatic bids per class. Hmmm, well that makes it tough for the non-Audi teams in the LMP1 class. I disagree a little bit with you Tim. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some of these teams competing a full schedule, but I'm willing to cut them a bit more slack. These are not high dollar operations (even if they have some quality cars). They may be more willing to commit to a better showing at Le Mans then to the full LMES schedule.
With that said, my hope is that the ACO selection commitee takes into account who competes in the LMES and gives a good solid showing (although this hasn't always been true in the past). The automatic bids will "probably" go to the more high dollar teams. They have a better shot at being consistent. Although with only four races luck can play a large roll in the outcome. In my mind, perhaps the automatic bids should pay a bit deeper into the field. But that takes control out of the ACO's hands, which can't happen of course. |
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3 May 2004, 15:33 (Ref:959456)
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JAG...I'm aware of Taurus's engine problems, but only with the dielsel car. They had two cars entered. One is Judd powered. Did the Judd powered car also have problems? Or is it since the diesel couldn't compete they just pulled the Judd entry as well?
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3 May 2004, 15:56 (Ref:959474)
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Sometimes you can get a little gunshy, and the FIASCC was certainly something that put everyone on their heels. Could someone in the UK do a bit of digging? |
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3 May 2004, 16:04 (Ref:959480)
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I do know that the race is LIVE on MotorsTV with John Hindhaugh doing the commentry. They are not showing the whole race as they have to break off to show the three BTCC races from Silverstone aswell. Looks like a good days TV if you have Motors. Sadly I wouldn't see if as I am at Silverstone. |
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3 May 2004, 16:18 (Ref:959491)
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Regarding Silverstone, there have been a few rumblings, but it appears the race is on.
Regarding knowing about the LMES since last April, that is true but seeing how far the FIA SCC has fallen at that point it is fair to say that prototype teams at least were not very confident about there futures in the class. Now it is obvious to everyone that the prototype class is going through a mini revival and a number of cars have come out to race. Post LM I am confident that the the teams that have pulled out of Monza will return, long with a number of new teams. |
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3 May 2004, 16:34 (Ref:959505)
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Its also worth pointing out the large gap between the first and second LMES rounds.
If the second race was 2 weeks away I could understand teams rushing to get their cars completed for the first race. However seeing as the Nurburgring race is 2 months or so off, IMO it is better for the teams to take their time, test, and come to the Nurburgring event fighting fit. Last edited by JAG; 3 May 2004 at 16:35. |
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3 May 2004, 16:53 (Ref:959524)
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just got cvonfirmation from Ben Leuenberger that both Taurus Sports cars will be at Monza! great news!!
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3 May 2004, 16:55 (Ref:959529)
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3 May 2004, 17:46 (Ref:959558)
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im sure the Judd will be run the whole season. not sure about the diesel, since they plan to run that in ALMS races later on in the season
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