DJR To Use Erebus White Chassis!!

[Kingair]

No, just get Toyota to supply engines to DJR!

[Ares]

Could we see an Erebus built Ford dash by the end on next season? Maybe just in time for the last season of Ford in the championship?

[v8supes]

I dont get it tbh. If all these chassis are interchangeable then why not just go full on spec series? I want to see teams building their own cars.

[psq43]

Originally Posted by Mixer

V8x podcast system really blows. I like to listen to Foges but I am not in Apple and not going to listen on Spotify.

Sent from my SM-S908E using Tapatalk

Just get Podcast Addict and you'll quickly find you've one app where all your podcasts come flowing through.

[bluesport]

This deal with erebus is a really smart move by DJR as it lightens the workload allowing them focus on racing.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by v8supes

I dont get it tbh. If all these chassis are interchangeable then why not just go full on spec series? I want to see teams building their own cars.

This was taken (since deleted) and shared on the T18 socials where the team copped a barrage of negative feedback about the quality (from an appearance perspective) of these welds. It’s not as pretty as you might expect it to be, it has you wondering about the twisting strength and angle of deflection of this chassis relative to a Erebus-White one…

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by bluesport

This deal with erebus is a really smart move by DJR as it lightens the workload allowing them focus on racing.

All they need to do now is give up control of Motorsport Powertrains and that can indeed be their focus.

Wonder if there shall be a team-enforced exodus from DJR at season’s end with these new people joining?

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

All they need to do now is give up control of Motorsport Powertrains and that can indeed be their focus.

Wonder if there shall be a team-enforced exodus from DJR at season’s end with these new people joining?

They do have some new people coming in I believe.

[Ares]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This was taken (since deleted) and shared on the T18 socials where the team copped a barrage of negative feedback about the quality (from an appearance perspective) of these welds. It’s not as pretty as you might expect it to be, it has you wondering about the twisting strength and angle of deflection of this chassis relative to a Erebus-White one…

From a weld of both Mig and Tig myself, some of these welds look a bit like my welding on a very bad day. I remember the Pace Supertourers chassis, I remember being impressed with the standard of both the Mig welding and Tig on those cars. You can normally do a pretty tidy weld on your bench, but much harder when you are laying upside down hanging over some bars in some uncomfortable positions inside a car. Not a lot of excuses for that welding in the photo.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Ares

From a weld of both Mig and Tig myself, some of these welds look a bit like my welding on a very bad day. I remember the Pace Supertourers chassis, I remember being impressed with the standard of both the Mig welding and Tig on those cars. You can normally do a pretty tidy weld on your bench, but much harder when you are laying upside down hanging over some bars in some uncomfortable positions inside a car. Not a lot of excuses for that welding in the photo.

I read the other day that DJR chassis are made by Pace.

[Ares]

Originally Posted by bluesport

I read the other day that DJR chassis are made by Pace.

It would be interesting to see what they look like then. How much of the cage is Tig welded rather than Mig welded. I may be looking through rose tinted glasses? But I remember the pipe work was mostly Tig welded with the Pace Supertourer chassis. Looking at that photo some more it looks like two trade persons were involved? Funny, I'm finishing a job as we speak that I can see the different work that has been done. At least two or possibly even three different tradesmen.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Ares

It would be interesting to see what they look like then. How much of the cage is Tig welded rather than Mig welded. I may be looking through rose tinted glasses? But I remember the pipe work was mostly Tig welded with the Pace Supertourer chassis. Looking at that photo some more it looks like two trade persons were involved? Funny, I'm finishing a job as we speak that I can see the different work that has been done. At least two or possibly even three different tradesmen.

Why would it matter whether it is MIG or TIG, does one get better penetration than the other for greater strength?

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Why would it matter whether it is MIG or TIG, does one get better penetration than the other for greater strength?

TIG 100%
Mig = Rubbish

[Ares]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Why would it matter whether it is MIG or TIG, does one get better penetration than the other for greater strength?

Not any easy answer to that question. Both have there place for certain jobs. Mig is a harder weld, I only Tig so, I can hammer and file the repairs. Heat is also important if welding HSS steels etc.

[Ares]

I should have said Tig on molly tube is better suited. If using the correct wire and a good welder with a good welding setup can be ok on molly. Tig is safer tho. Over heating molly tube is not recommend.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Last time DJR moved from self built to customer chassis worked out well for them, James Courtney winning the championship in the team's second year with Triple Eight built Falcons.

Those were Beehag chassis, not in-house.

Was the 1998 Johnson EL built in-house before Howard Mardsen initiative for Ford Motorsport single source Beehag shells to counter all the Dencar Commodores?

Ironically this was just as Dencar stopped selling customer cars to likes of Wayne Gardner and Gibson Motorsport and the various privateers, and Motorsport Engineering Services took over as the (now lower volume) supply of customer Commodore shells to some privateers (and '99 GRM cars?) (apart from a few with Perkins Engineering cars)?

Anyhow, it's just a pile of tubes welded together, if DJR prefers Jimmy White's TIG welding to PACE's MIG jobbies that seems fine and dandy. Is James White's business really owned by Erebus, or is he a contractor to Erebus?




It's certainly a slap-in-the-face for Paul Ceprenich's PACE Innovations! Do teams not have confidence in their excellence?

Some say PACE's technique of overlaying individual MIG spotwelds is odd (does that provide good penetration?), but that obviously meets CAMS/FIA specs and is not all that unusual.


Super High-Res showing the PACE MIG technique

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

TIG 100%
Mig = Rubbish

PACE turning out Gen 3 cars, or JAS Motorsport turning out TCRs, or M-Sport turning out Fiesta Rally2s etc, are trying to turn them out cheap & fast though.

Would use TIG add significant hours to build time?

[Ares]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

PACE turning out Gen 3 cars, or JAS Motorsport turning out TCRs, or M-Sport turning out Fiesta Rally2s etc, are trying to turn them out cheap & fast though.

Would use TIG add significant hours to build time?

Mig is a lot faster. The chassis Barry is standing by has both Tig and Mig welded bars. Both welds have a similar heat signature. Excess heat can make Molly tube brittle.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

PACE turning out Gen 3 cars, or JAS Motorsport turning out TCRs, or M-Sport turning out Fiesta Rally2s etc, are trying to turn them out cheap & fast though.

Would use TIG add significant hours to build time?

TIG is alot slower than MIG however, neater and cleaner.
ANYONE can MIG Weld or try

Only professional's can TIG (well anyone can TIG but its definitely alot more difficult process)

[Langers]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This was taken (since deleted) and shared on the T18 socials where the team copped a barrage of negative feedback about the quality (from an appearance perspective) of these welds. It’s not as pretty as you might expect it to be, it has you wondering about the twisting strength and angle of deflection of this chassis relative to a Erebus-White one…

Jesus Christ. Work experience kid let loose on their first day?

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Langers

Jesus Christ. Work experience kid let loose on their first day?

A good coat of paint can hide a multitude of sins or in this case "bird shyte"

[mite5255]

Originally Posted by Langers

Jesus Christ. Work experience kid let loose on their first day?

That's why they invented angle grinders