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Jorg was wrong and should be punished | 18 | 21.69% | |
Jan was at fault and should be punished | 11 | 13.25% | |
no one was at fault it's a racing incident | 23 | 27.71% | |
Both acted imaturely and should be punished | 29 | 34.94% | |
Uuuu nice crash we should have more of those | 3 | 3.61% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll |
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12 Oct 2009, 18:46 (Ref:2560048) | #26 | |||
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It's obvious that your not a Corvette fan, but to believe that Jan was instructed by Dan Binks to hit Jorg is idiotic. |
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12 Oct 2009, 18:52 (Ref:2560054) | #27 | ||
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It was good racing, niether backed down. Same as Sebring a couple of years ago
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12 Oct 2009, 19:58 (Ref:2560100) | #28 | ||
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What? I'm not buying this tinfoil conspiracy, espicially the part with the taxpayers' money and the word with "bible" in it. |
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12 Oct 2009, 21:01 (Ref:2560148) | #29 | |||
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Jan hit Jorg before the last turn incident as well. Have you been to the races and listened to #3 and #4's radio? I have now for several years. It is enlightening. Jan was instructed to turn on his brights! and to flash them on Saturday. I was listening to Hindy at the end...so I missed that part---but I bet Speed TV might have recording. You should hear Johnny O's x-rated comments---all good stuff. If it is idiotic than where is the protest? Lizards protested Melo at Sebring--and lost the protest. |
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12 Oct 2009, 21:35 (Ref:2560165) | #30 | |||
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i still find it humorous that the 45 is the car that is involved all three incidences being compared. guess they have a BMW on the "tangle" list for next year.
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is it illegal? surely not... in fact, didn't the 45 turned the high beams on the Panoz going into to Sunset at Sebring earlier this year at the 2nd incident or is that an illusion? regardless, they are all elements of getting the guy in front to make a mistake. i think Joerg had the rear view turned up as i know i would. |
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12 Oct 2009, 22:04 (Ref:2560188) | #31 | |||
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Yes, we heard that broadcast on TV. It's pretty standard to try to distract the other driver into making a mistake. Jorg is too good for that to work. Why aren't they protesting? I don't know or care. Something I noticed on a slow motion replay is that Jan actually hits the inside wall. That's why he came across the track. |
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12 Oct 2009, 22:35 (Ref:2560207) | #32 | ||
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Sometimes these battles end in tears, sometimes they don't.
It was the third time since 2007 that Flying Lizards were involved in such an 'incident'. Two times they lost the battle, this time they won. Racing incident, that's just it. Could almost say a fitting end to this battle ;-) |
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12 Oct 2009, 23:20 (Ref:2560229) | #33 | ||
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IMHO, Mr. Castro in post #10 said it best.
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12 Oct 2009, 23:48 (Ref:2560244) | #34 | |||
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Apart from that it was a thrilling race with good battlings for positions even after 4 hours of racing. |
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13 Oct 2009, 00:48 (Ref:2560261) | #35 | ||
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13 Oct 2009, 02:27 (Ref:2560312) | #37 | ||
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yeah, I watched it again and y'all are right. It was awfully close though... I guess that's why Jan was pulling to the right.
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13 Oct 2009, 10:12 (Ref:2560471) | #39 | ||
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A certain Mario Andretti once said...
"They're just 2 young lions, clawing at one another". Sad the 'vette's a write off, but then that is racing. Sometimes it happens. Racing incident. But tell drivers and teams that they WILL be watched, and a repetition WILL result in penalties. |
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13 Oct 2009, 10:48 (Ref:2560486) | #40 | ||
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Both JAN and Jorg are on a two race probation, here is the article from speedtv.com
The controversial finish sent shock waves through the paddock afterward, but IMSA made no adjustments to the final results. They instead elected to place Bergmeister and Magnussen on probation. Should either driver commit further offenses in the first two rounds next year, they will receive at minimum a two-race ban from competition. |
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13 Oct 2009, 11:19 (Ref:2560498) | #41 | |
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, a big slap on the wrist and "don't do it again" should be enough. They've made themselves look silly and embarassed their sport which should shame them out of doing it again.
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"I was too far behind to make an attempt in the last corner, but then he parked the car and I couldn't avoid him.(so I ran into him). He went a little sideways at the corner (because I just ran into him) and I get beside him and almost in the lead (but not quite). I was sure that the victory was mine but then he decided he wouldn't lose in the last corner again (I read his mind) and starts to drive into my side and continued until I was in the wall "(although there's not a mark on it).
My italics. Sounds a lot like number 142 in the racing driver's book of excuses (just my opinion). |
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I guess Corvette Racing lived up to it's motto - "take no prisoners". Where as Jorg lifted at Sebring, he didn't this time.
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He left out he hit him in the corkscrew. Guess he forgot that he actually hit him twice in the last turn. Left out any retaliation shove back....which is why he charged the wall. Claimed he hit a wall that had no physical scars afterward. 500 HP cars don't veer right without an input like a broken halfshaft, or steering input coupled with a nose pivot. A trailing car can't do that to an accelerating vehicle-especially with brake lights on. |
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13 Oct 2009, 20:22 (Ref:2560786) | #47 | |||
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The wall he was referring to was not the inside wall he was being pushed in to by the 45, but the one he hit head on after being punted. All was fair until what Jorg did on the front stretch. I honestly don't know why everyone is so ****ed, I mean the Porsche won, what's the problem? Is it because you think the vettes (and bimmers) will dominate next year? |
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It's a difficult call for sure, corvette had the faster car. Jan was absolutely hammering it through the corkscrew and consistently gaining time there.
To me the question is not whether Joerg ran off Jan on the front straight, he def. did but was it justified that's the question. To me if Jan bumped Joerg in the last turn on purpose then imo Joerg was justified in aggressively defending his win, after the sebring incident he has learned the higher road doesn't work out. Watching the replay both announcers mentioned that Jan was too far back in the last corner to take it, but he attempted the dive bomb as Dorsey hinted he might try, bumping the porsche and then getting the run on the straight. Not sure if from the footage you can really tell if Jan ran the last corner too deep and bumped Joerg because he went in too hot, or were the porsches tires shot and Jan simply had the grip to make a much faster exit. The announcers seemed to think he was too far back, and on top of that the porsche generally had better speed there, but tire wear could have been a factor.... so in the end who knows. |
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