Corvette Racing in Europe in 2008 - Page 2

JAG · 3 Sep 2007, 14:51 (Ref:2002687)

Anyone see the tour around P&M on Speeds coverage of the Detroit ALMS round?

When talking to a top P&M guy about the future he said they'd ran the Corvette for 8 years and were now in talks to take things to the next level, but could not disclose what that would be.

The next level doesn't sound like GT2 to me, at least not for the factory P&M team.

I'd put money on a Corvette/GM P1 coupe and GT2 customer program.

I really don't see how P&M can now resist P1, and the propect of going up against Audi, Porsche and Acura, they've proven everything they need to prove in GT1. The prospect of a performance balanced GT1/2 future can't be too appetising for a team that thrives on compeittion.

Mal · 3 Sep 2007, 17:09 (Ref:2002822)

I heard that little snippet and concluded the same thing - with Dave Richards dropping similar hints after Le Mans it could get very interesting!

JAG · 3 Sep 2007, 18:38 (Ref:2002885)

It's also interesting that the FIA/Ratel seem be hinting the LMP1 coupe class will take away manufactuers away from GT1, hence why they need to change the regs.

AU N EGL · 3 Sep 2007, 19:01 (Ref:2002910)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Anyone see the tour around P&M on Speeds coverage of the Detroit ALMS round?

When talking to a top P&M guy about the future he said they'd ran the Corvette for 8 years and were now in talks to take things to the next level, but could not disclose what that would be.

The next level doesn't sound like GT2 to me, at least not for the factory P&M team.

I'd put money on a Corvette/GM P1 coupe and GT2 customer program.

I really don't see how P&M can now resist P1, and the propect of going up against Audi, Porsche and Acura, they've proven everything they need to prove in GT1. The prospect of a performance balanced GT1/2 future can't be too appetising for a team that thrives on compeittion.

P&M also does the Speed World GT Caddies and the GrandAM Pontiac G6s.

Quite possible P1 for the Next Level. Rember Corvette is about Horse Power.

JAG · 3 Sep 2007, 19:45 (Ref:2002953)

Reading the ALMS board the rumours floating about are that a GT2, P&M backed Corvette has been testing, but will be a customer car if it does appear, while the factory team will run a P1 coupe with styling cues from the mid-engined C7.

Cadilac could also run in GT2 or whatever becomes of that class.

AU N EGL · 3 Sep 2007, 20:10 (Ref:2002979)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Reading the ALMS board the rumours floating about are that a GT2, P&M backed Corvette has been testing, but will be a customer car if it does appear, while the factory team will run a P1 coupe with styling cues from the mid-engined C7.

Cadilac could also run in GT2 or whatever becomes of that class.

These I could belive.

dxk1 · 3 Sep 2007, 23:30 (Ref:2003138)

I still have trouble believing that Corvette will pour a great deal of money into a class where they will be heavily outclassed by the diesel engined cars. Will the new P1 class do more to equalize competition between the diesels and petrol engines? Allowing a 6 or 7 liter turbocharged P1 petrol engine could help. Right now the diesels are both running 5.5 liter double turbocharged engines. That's a lot to deal with for a normally aspirated petrol engine even a big one.

DK

Bob Riebe · 3 Sep 2007, 23:34 (Ref:2003142)

Hmmm, P&M Trans-Am Camaro; race on Sunday, sell on Monday.
Hmmmm.

Bob

AU N EGL · 3 Sep 2007, 23:57 (Ref:2003154)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Hmmm, P&M Trans-Am Camaro; race on Sunday, sell on Monday.
Hmmmm.

Bob

Bob your on to something there. A P&M Trans-am Camaro I could get exited about driving.

JAG · 4 Sep 2007, 15:43 (Ref:2003639)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxk1

I still have trouble believing that Corvette will pour a great deal of money into a class where they will be heavily outclassed by the diesel engined cars. Will the new P1 class do more to equalize competition between the diesels and petrol engines? Allowing a 6 or 7 liter turbocharged P1 petrol engine could help. Right now the diesels are both running 5.5 liter double turbocharged engines. That's a lot to deal with for a normally aspirated petrol engine even a big one.

DK

All that needs to happen is a change in restrictor size, which will happen along with other changes.

Hybrids and other technologies are being encourage and there is talk of production based engines being given breaks over pure race engines.

HORNDAWG · 6 Sep 2007, 20:47 (Ref:2005651)

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Originally Posted by TWK

Murphy's summary:

There’s been lots of talk - but precious little action - lately.
The good news: The Corvette program is approved through 2010.
The I-don’t-know-what-it-is news: Depending on what happens on the competition front they aren’t restricted to just continuing in ALMS GT1.
More good news: Aston Martin has been talking to IMSA.
Not so good news: They were looking for rules breaks in return for a commitment for the rest of this season and 2008.
The good-for-them news: IMSA wouldn’t play. Race on the ACO rules or don’t race.
More good news: Most at Aston Martin want to play anyway.
The bad news: George (or Dave, the Bear’s heard it both ways) won’t play.
The good news, part deux:Corvette hasn’t ruled out a GT2 program. Maybe the green Fords are irrelevant.

My take? A GT2 program is more likely than a full-out factory European campaign. Just "the gut" on this one.

Pretty much confirmation of the Bears "the gut" at Autoweek . So depending on... we may see that semi-works Ollies piloted LAA 2nd C6.R next year.(?)

L.P.

JAG · 11 Sep 2007, 17:58 (Ref:2009542)

Reading DSC's latest piece it appears even more clear Corvette are looking at P1 for the factory team, and maybe run selected GT1 events in the 2008 ALMS.

**FIRE** · 11 Sep 2007, 20:25 (Ref:2009686)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Reading DSC's latest piece it appears even more clear Corvette are looking at P1 for the factory team,

For 2009?

JAG · 11 Sep 2007, 20:43 (Ref:2009701)

Who knows.

It sounds like a customer GT2 could show up sometime next year, with the factory running Le Mans, Sebring etc. with the GT1, while a P1 is prepared.

It seems the coupe regs are to Corvette's liking with the need for brand identity etc.

HORNDAWG · 12 Sep 2007, 05:32 (Ref:2009881)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Who knows.

It sounds like a customer GT2 could show up sometime next year, with the factory running Le Mans, Sebring etc. with the GT1, while a P1 is prepared.

It seems the coupe regs are to Corvette's liking with the need for brand identity etc.

Another piece falling in place for a Semi-works/privateer GT-2 ALMS program??? Lou Gigliotti clearing out the house at LG Motorsports after the SWC season. link 08 plans to be revealed at the Petit SWC event.

L.P.

David · 12 Sep 2007, 13:45 (Ref:2010168)

GM-Pratt & Miller certainly still have a lot of GT1 firepower available:

C6R-003 - Fellows/Pilgrim at Mosport 2007
C6R-005 - #3 car for 2007 ALMS and Le Mans
C6R-006 - #4 car for 2007 ALMS and Le Mans
C6R-007 - Built for 2008 season or to replace a 2007 car , if needed
C6R-008 - Built for 2008 season or to replace a 2007 car , if needed

The only inside story I have is that a Malaysian interest has been quoted a C6.R recently. I don't know which car or how much, but if the world is changing, I would believe that GM/P&M would like to reduce inventory.

broadrun96 · 12 Sep 2007, 15:06 (Ref:2010233)

I am really beginning to lean in the direction of P&M going for LMP1 coupe rules with a very similar styled car to the street C6/7 and then building a GT2 customer program. It just seems like alot is falling into place and with AMR being kinda quiet on their end and then the "slip-up" at LM saying they would be going for overall wins, it just seems like Corvette can't afford to stay behind, and Bob Lutz is a go-for-it kinda guy, he did authorize the Viper project back at Dodge. Plus it would be cool to see the Velocity Yellow and AM green cars at the front of the field fighting it out with Audi, Pug and hopefully Porsche or Acura.

Bob Riebe · 12 Sep 2007, 16:21 (Ref:2010292)

AT the least, this should keep the rumor mill humming along, and in the US, the rumor mill can be important to a series heath quotiant.

Bob

AU N EGL · 12 Sep 2007, 16:52 (Ref:2010310)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

AT the least, this should keep the rumor mill humming along, and in the US, the rumor mill can be important to a series heath quotiant.

Bob

Bob I heard a rumor out of my sources in Minn, that you are running a AMLS GT2 team of Mustang GTs next year?
Care to comment?

<wink wink>

Tom

**FIRE** · 12 Sep 2007, 17:17 (Ref:2010322)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Another piece falling in place for a Semi-works/privateer GT-2 ALMS program??? Lou Gigliotti clearing out the house at LG Motorsports after the SWC season. link 08 plans to be revealed at the Petit SWC event.

L.P.

But if they join ALMS why announce it at a SWC event?

HORNDAWG · 12 Sep 2007, 17:28 (Ref:2010332)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

But if they join ALMS why announce it at a SWC event?

Because SWC is oft times a support series for ALMS and they will be at PLM as a support race. PLM schedule

L.P.

Bob Riebe · 12 Sep 2007, 19:30 (Ref:2010425)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Bob I heard a rumor out of my sources in Minn, that you are running a AMLS GT2 team of Mustang GTs next year?
Care to comment?

<wink wink>

Tom

Well, the big rumor is that the remains of Studebaker-Worthington, have grandfathered in the blown Avanti....

Bob

HORNDAWG · 24 Nov 2007, 17:29 (Ref:2074765)

Is this the selling of the C5-R and Z06.R to get a C6.R? And is it thought it will race in the FIA GT or LMS?

link

L.P.

ThePenguin · 24 Nov 2007, 17:35 (Ref:2074770)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Is this the selling of the C5-R and Z06.R to get a C6.R? And is it thought it will race in the FIA GT or LMS?

link

L.P.

I thought that they were going to race in FIA-GT, and not in the LMS.

johntt · 24 Nov 2007, 18:23 (Ref:2074799)

http://www.mariantic.co.uk/lmp/default.asp

P&M could do a Corvette LMP1 and a GT1 based upon the Cadillac XLR for ALMS 2009.

Apparently it would be as simple as changing the bodyshell and putting a Caddy engine under the bonnet of a C6R.

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