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on a more serious note, it realy could have happened to anyone, if this guy is such an ameteur why was he racing?, and is he still racing? who was it? i cant see how this makes indy a bad place to go for champ car teams, i agree with you craig, money is an issue, but if we are talking about teams like newmann haas, who can probably afford it, as they did in 2005, then maybe its possible. |
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AJ Foyt IV
He was racing because he's AJ Foyt. At Foyt's team. Where he performed so badly even granpappy dropped him. I think he's tooling around in some sub-ARCA stockcar series these days. |
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And now unfortunately found a drive for a team I can't remember again in the IRL...
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He is driving for Vision, as you know full well luke since you participated in the thread discussing that fact.
And by the way, no need to knock ARCA as they put on some really good racing. Caught a few on Speed TV last season - not Nextel Cup for sure but good racing. |
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But the point is, he went out of arguably the top line open wheel in the US and the place he could find a drive was many steps down, which of course ARCA is. |
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AJ did no worse in the Foyt car then Bucknum did, athough thats not really saying alot
Vision are a mid pack team and can even run near the front, as Ed Carpenter showed at the back end of the season lets see how AJ gets on this season in a better car its boring now that Champ Car fans are still bitter about the Bruno incident nearly two years have passed now, GET OVER IT! |
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bruno, indy 500 = an unfortunate accident. end of. |
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Bruno as far as im concered is fine. he just needs the time to find some speed again. problem is hes not with newman haas anymore is that right? well that will be if any his only problem the fact hes in a new team, that are probably not as good as NH. |
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23 Feb 2007, 19:21 (Ref:1850055) | #38 | ||
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Simple: They are competing series, going after the same crumbs of the pie. Why would CC want to support the other series? If the inheritor would sell the indycart league to Joie Chitwood and Jonathan Byrd, then the 500 could become a common race for both racing series. Simple.
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What a load of rubbish and sour grapes. It's exactly as racer69 says. The requirements are there for all to see and, if the other drivers weren't comfortable with them, then they shouldn't have entered. Is that what is keeping the Champcar drivers away now? I don't believe it is, even for a fraction of a second. Are they staying away because of the 'history' between the two championships? No, I don't believe they are, even for a fraction of a second. They're staying away because, at this time, it's not financially viable for them to run there. If a sponsor were to come along who wanted them to do it, then they would, but that's the problem, isn't it..? Finding a sponsor who will pay for them to run a full season in Champcar is next to impossible, finding one who wants to pay to equip the team to run a one off race of little current importance just isn't going to happen, I'm afraid.
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Spot-on, Craig.
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The Money comes from sponsorship. Once it`s established that a CC team will attempt Indy, someone opens up a checkbook.
Thus helping CC`s sad state of sponsorship, and Indy`s sad state of bumping. |
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Do you seriously think the guys in charge of finding sponsorship haven't thought of that and tried that angle with sponsors?
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And the leaders of Indy car racing can't even present a united front. |
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I absolutely 100% agree, a merger needs to happen. But is it too late? It should have happened five years ago. I love Nascar but I really, really miss Indy racing of old. I would dearly dearly love for common sense to prevail.
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I know this has gone on for years, and people get tired talking about it. So much in open wheel racing is negative, not enough teams for Indy, Ford leaving Champ Cars, cancelled races, poor TV numbers etc... All of this is a result of not having one single open wheel indy car series. |
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Wouldn't it be nice if both series included a couple of joint events on the calendar? The CCWS teams could join the IRL teams for the Indy 500 & the IRL teams could in return join the CCWS teams at a road course event on one of the longer road courses. A bit of adding on to the end of the Road America pit lane could soon allow it to cope with that number of teams & drivers. An Indy style bumping off the grid could even be used if necessary. Boosting grids, improving matters for spectators & allowing more drives available for talented drivers not on the full time grid. And just to keep teams interested the points would count for both series (using the correct points scoring in each championchip of course!) Panoz could update their old IRL chassis & as part of the deal for a CCWS chassis suppply there would be that one oval chassis provided as well & I'm sure a similar thing could be worked out for the IRL as well.
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That proposal has popped up a few times here, Alwaysfirst, and personally I like it!
You are right though: it actually makes sense and will likely be avoided! |
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