Official 2010 Entry List - Page 2

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 10:53 (Ref:2480891)

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve_r

Very surprised at Prodrive not getting in.

They'll be in at some point.

Unsurprisingly,Ferrari have issued a statement.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38160

Pleasingly,Cosworth have issued a statement.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38159

**gomick** · 12 Jun 2009, 11:12 (Ref:2480904)

When was the last time cosworth won a gp?

Hopefully with 3 teams giving feedback, cosworth can have a serious dip & hang aroung f1 for a few years...

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 11:19 (Ref:2480910)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomick

When was the last time cosworth won a gp?

Johnny Herbert with Stewart I think,99 Nurburgring ?

Edit: Sorry,they were Fondmetal engines.We have to go back to 94 for a 'Cosworth' victory.

Not sure if Fisi's 2003 victory counts ?

**ghinzani** · 12 Jun 2009, 11:21 (Ref:2480911)

If Manor are linked to Nick Wirth then you may well remember Wirth/Simtek had links to Max in their prevous incarnation. Nick Wirth was very much a favoured son of Max, and I believe Bernie?

Adri_tifosi · 12 Jun 2009, 11:28 (Ref:2480914)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynic

Campos I don't know much about, but if they've run GP2 then I guess they know what they're getting into.

Campos GP2 Team is now Barwa Addax and the staff continue with Agag.

Campos will start from 0 with a new staff.

Javi · 12 Jun 2009, 11:29 (Ref:2480915)

Some spanish newspapers are saying that Ferrari says it will not participate in 2010... I am quite sure that is a misunderstanding of the statement mentioned above

ukaskew · 12 Jun 2009, 11:32 (Ref:2480921)

Who are Manor F1? Where are they based etc? I don't even remember them being mentioned on here before.

ECW Dan Selby · 12 Jun 2009, 11:33 (Ref:2480923)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

Johnny Herbert with Stewart I think,99 Nurburgring ?

Edit: Sorry,they were Fondmetal engines.We have to go back to 94 for a 'Cosworth' victory.

Not sure if Fisi's 2003 victory counts ?

You were right first time, if i'm not mistaken in regards to Stewart actually using a Ford Cosworth as oppose to a Fondmetal.

I believe the final Cosworth victory was with Giancarlo Fisichella at the Brazilian GP 2003 for Jordan.

Selby

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 11:33 (Ref:2480924)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Javi

Some spanish newspapers are saying that Ferrari says it will not participate in 2010... I am quite sure that is a misunderstanding of the statement mentioned above

No! Ferrari are still playing hard to get.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38160

Red Bull and STR issue statements that suggest they have not entered unconditionally.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38161

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38162

bradrive · 12 Jun 2009, 11:39 (Ref:2480927)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adri_tifosi

Campos GP2 Team is now Barwa Addax and the staff continue with Agag.

Campos will start from 0 with a new staff.

interesting comment...???

ECW Dan Selby · 12 Jun 2009, 11:43 (Ref:2480931)

But, what would be the point in that?

Selby

Adri_tifosi · 12 Jun 2009, 11:46 (Ref:2480932)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradrive

interesting comment...???

AFAIK Barwa Campos GP2 is the same Barwa Addax

And Campos Meta 1 is another team , at least are the news from spanish newspapers with a new HQ at Valencia or Murcia.

climb · 12 Jun 2009, 11:48 (Ref:2480934)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adri_tifosi

Campos GP2 Team is now Barwa Addax and the staff continue with Agag.

Campos will start from 0 with a new staff.

Given the current cost-cutting measures, finding new staff will soon be the easiest part of the job

climb · 12 Jun 2009, 11:49 (Ref:2480936)

Thread to be closed as far as now, apparently

JAG · 12 Jun 2009, 12:02 (Ref:2480945)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

Max may know that Renault will not be around for much longer,maybe Toyota as well.

Renault personal were said to be at Le Mans this weekend.

Kebab · 12 Jun 2009, 12:02 (Ref:2480946)

At least 2 of the 3 teams announced are 'weaker' than several not listed (yet). I think the FIA is helping them out (easier to raise funds with a confirmed slot), while keeping strong entries back to help beat up FOTA.

I bet this list changes by at least 2 names ...

**Peter Mallett** · 12 Jun 2009, 12:05 (Ref:2480949)

Brawn is also a conditional inclusion. All to be settled by the 19th June........................ or else?

brucelok2003 · 12 Jun 2009, 12:08 (Ref:2480954)

Who can replace Brawn if they decide to leave?

Prodrive? could be...
N.Technology? Maybe...
Superfund? Can be...

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 12:11 (Ref:2480956)

Brawn,although they owe their existence to FOTA,are not part of any 'pact',and so if survival is all important............

alan1302 · 12 Jun 2009, 12:11 (Ref:2480957)

Will Prodrive have been overlooked as they were given a grid slot a few years back but decided not to use it as they wanted to tun a customer car?

Alan

**Bononi** · 12 Jun 2009, 12:13 (Ref:2480960)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Manor a surprise, Prodrive, Superfund, missing out a surprise too.

The inclusion of the FOTA teams is a surprise to me.
Ferrari and RBR, STR, not being provisional is provocative if they haven't submitted unconditional entries.

Deadline is June 19th...a week away. About right.
So Bononi, it is still not over.
Another week of purgatory for you?

Yeah, I was expecting that they would be in the entry list, since they are trying to resolve this and remain in F1. But as the events goes, I learned some points that I wasn't aware of...there are more serious things going under the sheets at this point.
You're right about the "provocative" part, as it stands, Ferrari has all set to go for a legal action against the FIA if FOTA conditions would not be accepted in the negotiations ahead. As I know now, they're going for a group action as FOTA, but if there would be no agreement they're prepared to leave right away with or without the others. At this point, soon it will be public, as we know now, Ferrari is pretty much "out of" the 2010 season, even if its name is listed unconditionally. I wouldn't be surprised if it all turn the tables in months to come, a new concorde agreement and a new exclusive contract with Ferrari - people can shout in anger now

- that's sad I know, but it's do or die, like in 2005.
Renault is another special case, don't hold your breath for them, I would pretty much say that if a single comma is missing in the conditions proposed by FOTA, they'll be gone for good. They want a excuse, they got it.
What really is puzzling is that FOTA doesn't blink with Bernie's threats, pretty much the contrary.
Yeah, the agony will stay for a while, Max still will be around if he agrees with FOTA demands, which is very likely.
I can only hope that something goes very bad in the next weeks... it can happen, it must happen !

VIVA GT · 12 Jun 2009, 12:13 (Ref:2480961)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

You were right first time, if i'm not mistaken in regards to Stewart actually using a Ford Cosworth as oppose to a Fondmetal.

I believe the final Cosworth victory was with Giancarlo Fisichella at the Brazilian GP 2003 for Jordan.

Selby

Before everyone gets too excited here, can I just remind you that there is very little connection between the present company called Cosworth, and the one responsible for the DFV and other later F1 engines.

Marbot · 12 Jun 2009, 12:14 (Ref:2480963)

Quote:

Originally Posted by alan1302

Will Prodrive have been overlooked as they were given a grid slot a few years back but decided not to use it as they wanted to tun a customer car?

Alan

No.They would have entered had the regulations allowed customer cars.As usual there were some protests,and customer cars were ruled out.Prodrive therefore did not enter,so not their fault really.

**Bononi** · 12 Jun 2009, 12:15 (Ref:2480965)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Javi

Some spanish newspapers are saying that Ferrari says it will not participate in 2010... I am quite sure that is a misunderstanding of the statement mentioned above

Ooops, they already made it public, they're quick... I was still writing and now it's old news already.

**Bononi** · 12 Jun 2009, 12:19 (Ref:2480967)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jab

They had a contract similar to Ferrari (without the extras, though)

It doesn't seem, people would like to "divide", RBR and STR didn't back down, that's the FIA using their "contract" clause.

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