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there could have been some doubt about him touching the car when the other bloke was touching it as well, but when the other bloke walked off and the car controller was still rooting around with the front, then he is as guilty as sin
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If you've got evidence that suggests otherwise lay it on the table. If they got a radar gun on the leader, which is logical given the way the rule is written, then why treat it any different to a pit lane speeding infringement? Not sure how White being unsure changes anything, he's neither the guy making the decision or the guy doing the measuring.... I'm sure he was oblivious to where Moffat tapped Holdsworth, doesn't mean it didn't happen. |
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It is a constant puzzle to me how Damien ever got to where he is having known him from his karting days.
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There are many others you might take the time to wonder about before Mr White....
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I posted this in the Clipsal thread, but have copied it here as it seemd appropriate
I was sitting in the Pit Straight Grand Stand directly in line with the first 'AZ' marker. From where I was with a very good vantage point Van Gisbergen and Rick, didn't accelerate before the AZ sign. They may have crept over 60 k's (That I can't tell without data) but from my position it actually looked like Whincup slowed on the front straight for whatever reason, Whincup slowing was also the real trigger point for the Bright roll over. I expected Jamie to get a penalty for the restart and was dumbfounded when the SVG and Rick announcement was made. The explanation of the penalty seems about as technical as mine. 'This it what it looked like' no hard data on what actually happened. I also think the iffy Whincup penalty was a square up for the botched SC penalties. It's all just very poor for what is supposed to be the best category in the country. |
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Lets play conspiracy theorists for a second... imagine if they had the radar gun on the cars coming upto the AZ and noticed the first two cars going slightly higher than 60km/h.....
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the problem was that D White suggested as aprt of his explanation that you could tell because of the gap that arose between Rick and Jamie. Vague in its explanation and suits the conspiracy theory. He probably should have stopped at radar gun. edit and why only 60, why not a higher speed Personally, in what was the first time trial of this process, I think that maybe a bad sporstman ship flag would have suited, rather than ruin the race especially with the rules not explained to the fans before hand (and apparantly not even the commentators) |
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I think it's a bit odd that 2 days later, and we still haven't had confirmation either way that the 2 lead cars did speed.
If they did, I would have thought V8SC would release some data traces showing that, so the fans, teams and everyone who thought it was a bullshit call could see that in fact it was a legit penalty. If they didn't, I would have thought that Tekno and Nissan would release the traces and say, see, we didn't break the rules. It'd be nice to have some transparency around this. |
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Bell_End, If that were the case and Damien had of categorically said 'We had the radar on them and caught them speeding' the issue would be dead.
But he came out and said ' We have a range of options radar and visual, the gap between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd cars increased so it's resonable to assume they spead up' indicating that they basically guessed. isn't it also reasonable to assume the 3rd car may have slowed down ???? |
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A mentioned above we also don't have the #15 & #97 teams coming out with their wheel speed traces showing the world they were hard done by...
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Exactly - if Tekno and Nissan were not in the wrong, they would have released video with telemetry by now (unless afraid of bringing sport into disrepute).
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The worrying factor is the officals. V8SC consistently promotes itself as the best series of it's kind in the world - they have had the Christmas/New Year period to look into rule changes and communicate these rule changes etc....
Sure stuff ups happen in motorsport but it seems the norm rather than the exception in V8SC |
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Whether Damien is out of his depth (in this instance) or not I am not sure but he was only enforcing an unfortunate rule he may or may not have had a hand in devising.
What I am concerned about is that he seems to be the spokesperson for V8 Supercars when it comes to the Aero testing which he (?) seems to have corrected in the case of the Nissan Altimas but appears to have been a bit generous in the case of the Volvo S60. |
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Mercedes Benz were using wind tunnels in the 1950's to design the Ulerhardt Coupe and others V8SC dont use one at all
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Good on him.
At 59km/h I wonder if 888 were using a speed limiter for the restart and the officials may have even known that, but didn't want to elude to that fact when explaining why the penalty was given. It may haved appeared to outsiders as though the officials were giving certain teams preferential treatment by knowing limiters are in use for some and not others. |
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