Grp2 Zakspeed Escort

[superroo73]

Have hat a phonecall to Werner Weiss and he said its his car before he was the owner.
Newer pictures i do last year also from his grp 4 car...
If you interestet in i can post...
greeds
Stefan

[jcgti6scot]

Hi Stefan, yeah that would be great if you could post them. All pics and info about these cars is much appreciated

[superroo73]

look here for some pictures of the Grp.2 and Grp.4 car from Werner Weiss
http://picasaweb.google.de/autowacke...eat=directlink
greeds

[jcgti6scot]

Great pics stefan, thanks. I have seen the Videos of the white one doing hillclimbs, Looks fun:P

[superroo73]

Hopefully Werner will be here in Mai again. Last year he run both, the grp.2 nd grp.4
Have you got the ger,am book Momentaufnahmen? Its from ford germany for 30 Years of Ford Motorsport. Fine pictures in it!

[jcgti6scot]

Ah, no i haven't i will look into getting a copy

[superroo73]

Does anybody know where i can get the Arch-Kit for a MK2 Grp.2 incl. frontspoiler?
Greeds
Stefan

[mk1garage]

In oldfordautos.com

[guide1]

Hi all.
Just bringing this thread back up as i would like some information
Im building a replica Zakspeed Gr2 escort. i have some bbs E55 centerlock wheels and wondering if anyone has any drawing or dimensions of the hubs to suit. I have done some Designs using the drawing off the wheels i have got but would like near as possible to the originals.

Great photos by the way

Thanks in advance

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by guide1

Hi all.
Just bringing this thread back up as i would like some information
Im building a replica Zakspeed Gr2 escort. i have some bbs E55 centerlock wheels and wondering if anyone has any drawing or dimensions of the hubs to suit. I have done some Designs using the drawing off the wheels i have got but would like near as possible to the originals.

Great photos by the way

Thanks in advance

Welcome guide1, suggest you look on the Motorsport History section here as the thread deals specifically with Zakspeed suspension. I don't know where you are in the world but there is a replica in NZ using BBS wheels though E50 according to the owner.

There is also another thread dealing with the restoration of a Gp5 Zakspeed Mk2 here.

Hope that helps

[Zola]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Hi Mart, they look good in pictures I have seen. After this thread one of the Ford forums had some pics of a newly painted shell with them fitted- looked the dogs wotsits........

Hi Mike - off topic a little

I just got back from first test at Goodwood with the Jagermeister Alfa...
I didn't know if you could share with me what Avon tyre compounds you run on - all a bit of a learning curve for me... The wets i used seemed really soft but not sure if i should have used a harder compound.

Many Thanks

Roz

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Zola

Hi Mike - off topic a little...


Many Thanks

Roz

Hi Roz, only a little off topic BTW- Alfa looks even better on track

I'll pm you if thats OK

[brown dog]

Originally Posted by guide1

Hi all.
Just bringing this thread back up as i would like some information
Im building a replica Zakspeed Gr2 escort. i have some bbs E55 centerlock wheels and wondering if anyone has any drawing or dimensions of the hubs to suit. I have done some Designs using the drawing off the wheels i have got but would like near as possible to the originals.

Great photos by the way

Thanks in advance

I thoght the Gp.2 cars all had bolt on wheels? The later Gp.5 cars had centrelock, but earlier ones (like the REAL one here in NZ) used bolt on as well. A friend of mine has built a Mk1 replica and used centrelock E50's, on Sierra Gp.A front struts, with his own rear hubs.

Buy the wheelnuts from BBS here:

http://www.bbs-racing-wheels.com/index.htm

They are M72x2 from memory, and not expensive. The hubs will have to be tailored to whatever you are fitting them to. The BMW M3's and 635's used this thread size too, and most of the hubs I have seen are made from aluminium, although I believe there may have been some titanium ones around too.

Conrad

[4dnut]

Hi, I have built a replica MK1 Zak but wanted to use centre lock wheels as I had some Grp A Sierra struts,these are a floating spindle ,where the bearings are in the strut.So I used E50 centres and used shells to suit. On the rear we made our own hubs similar to Conrad's photo.We used a twin bearing rear hub for an Atlas,then instead of the steel drive flange with internal spline and nut we used an alloy hub adapter.We made this hub with a large spline in the centre and pressed in a steel plug which had a smaller spline inside that was a loose fit for the axle.To stop oil coming out a plug is fitted inside the adapter with an o-ring,this is retained by the wheel clip.We made our own axles a bit bigger in dia and gun drilled them down the middle to reduce weight.The end of the axle has a thread in the end.So to remove an axle you can leave the wheel on the car,undo clip, remove oil cap, screw a bolt into the end of the axle and pull it out.Widths of everything will depend on what axle width you want to use, wheel width you want and the back spacing of your centres.I think Gary is going to make some more rear hubs, contact him if you want the correct ones. Also I have the tooling for an Alloy Atlas if anyone is interested.
E50/E55 similar http://www.bbs-racing-wheels.com/seiten/framee.htm
Paul

[guide]

Pretty sure i've seen Gr2's with Centerlocks. Im using a set of bilstein struts.
As for front hubs i have designed a hub that would used the twin taper bearings (similar to a normal hub but with a centerlock face instead of studs).
As for rear i have designed a fully floating rear hub assembly (Based on the works rally car set up using twin taper bearings) with all appropriate seals and O-rings.
I will post up some pics of my design.
I do have some pics of the originals but with no dimensions:





As for the Wheel nuts i did hav a Technical drawing for these but have lost that.
I do recall the M72x2 thread as Conrad stated.

I am using an Atlas axle, i will be retubing it to have the desired width.
Paul, do you have any info on the design you mentioned and more info on the alloy atlas axle as that sounds very tempting.

Regards

[Mike Bell]

Welcome, guide. Nice looking hubs! Tell us more about the car that goes with them.

If you havn't found it this thread in Motorsport History includes some info from Paul on the alloy axle he has on his car http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126585

Info is later on in thread.

[guide]

The pics where sent to me by someone in germany who had an geniune zakspeed Grp5 that was in restoration. They had all the tehcnical drawings for the zakspeed escort but unfortunatly these are still confidential even this many years later.
Although they were remanufacturing the complete hubs but at a cost of around £3500!!

Pic of Car


more of Hubs




I'm going to have a read through that thread now
thanks

[rallycrossracer]

very beautiful car

[RETRO_AL]

Heres a picture of my grp2 replica

[John Turner]

Welcome R_A. Are you intending to race it?

[Hunter1300]

What wing mirrors did the zakspeed Gr2 escorts run?

where they the same as gr5 escorts and the gr2 capris?

Im sure they were off something 'random' but a stock item

[4dnut]

I need some help also please,I have a Zak Mk1 replica that I built up that is a bit of a hotrod
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/07/...scort_replica/

I also have a genuine RS1600 that I used to race, I fitted bubble guards etc to it 20 years ago. I want to rebuild this car, origonally I was just going to redo the body etc, but I love the Zak/Broadspeed GR2 guards and would like to fit them on. I have inquired to the Motorsport authorities and they said if I can produce homologation etc no worries to update its paperwork. I have lots of period photos, but is there homologation for this bodywork?

Cheers Paul

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by 4dnut

I need some help also please,I have a Zak Mk1 replica that I built up that is a bit of a hotrod
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/07/...scort_replica/

I also have a genuine RS1600 that I used to race, I fitted bubble guards etc to it 20 years ago. I want to rebuild this car, origonally I was just going to redo the body etc, but I love the Zak/Broadspeed GR2 guards and would like to fit them on. I have inquired to the Motorsport authorities and they said if I can produce homologation etc no worries to update its paperwork. I have lots of period photos, but is there homologation for this bodywork?

Cheers Paul

Paul, the answer is no, there is no specific homologation for the Broadspeed / Zakspeed style arches. It wasn't needed in period. For FIA HTP papers, proof that were used in period (via photos) is all that is required. Guess your MSA has different thoughts on that, so down to your powers of persuasion maybe!

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by 4dnut

I need some help also please,I have a Zak Mk1 replica that I built up that is a bit of a hotrod
http://www.speedhunters.com/2011/07/...scort_replica/

I also have a genuine RS1600 that I used to race, I fitted bubble guards etc to it 20 years ago. I want to rebuild this car, origonally I was just going to redo the body etc, but I love the Zak/Broadspeed GR2 guards and would like to fit them on. I have inquired to the Motorsport authorities and they said if I can produce homologation etc no worries to update its paperwork. I have lots of period photos, but is there homologation for this bodywork?

Cheers Paul

Beautiful looking car Paul, the zakspeed cam cover do you know anyone that might have a spare? I have a zakspeed grp2 mk2 but its got so so much missing i am trying to gather parts so thÃ*t I can restore an race it.

[4dnut]

I have the pattern for the camcover, I have changed the pattern at the moment with different lettering on it. But I did make a spare for myself that has Zakspeed on it. PM me as I don't want anyone complaining(this isn't ebay!). I have lots of other things like this also.
Also Mike did you get HTP papers for your escort?