Honey, we need to talk about our boy Scuderia .. AKA KeystoneF1

[bathurst77]

Keystone = Im old dont judge me!


Keystone Kops

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Keystone = Im old dont judge me!


Keystone Kops

Now that was fun to watch

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Keystone = Im old dont judge me!]

Me too - that was the one bit of the title I did understand!

[PhilipR]

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but another interesting development is the fading of the Ferrari engine cars. Both Haas and Alfa were fighting for top 10 and points during qualy and races at the beginning of the season and now seem to have drifted backwards to obscurity. One of them manages a good qualifying once in a while nowadays but end up going backwards in the race.

Is this also evidence of Ferrari beginning year with a more powerful engine and now Red Bull, Merc and Renault have caught up?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Job Vacancy. Ferrari team leader.

If a car needs 4 tyres at a pitstop - how many tyres should you have ready when it enters the pits? 3 or 4?

Can you spot a blue and pink car driving down the pit lane? Y / N ?

Does a wheel gun belong in the incoming path of a F1 car, in the middle of the pit lane? Y / N?

Can you explain what a yellow flag means to a driver? Overtake / Dont Overtake?

If you can answer those questions, then Ferrari would love to hear from you.

Who was it who boxed a car a few years ago with no tyres ready....Red Bull of course when Ricciardo arrived in the pits and everyone was still sitting down.

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by Casper

Who was it who boxed a car a few years ago with no tyres ready....Red Bull of course when Ricciardo arrived in the pits and everyone was still sitting down.

Yes, odd mistakes happen to even the best, and can be forgiven. But when there is seemingly a constant stream of screw ups, with many of them costing the team time, wins or points, one begins to wonder what Ferrari need to do to enable their fast car to actually fight for the championship.

[S griffin]

Yes, Ferrari seem to find a new way to cock up their strategy every race. They have really thrown away a chance at the title. What happened in Hungary sums it up for me

[Aysedasi]

If they win today, perhaps a permanent change to yellow livery is in order......

[S griffin]

The yellow overalls make me think Jordan have made a comeback

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by S griffin

The yellow overalls make me think Jordan have made a comeback

Ahhh Agip.... Of course.

[S griffin]

Ferrari made the mistake of pitting the second time. They should have stayed out, they had more to lose by coming in and it proved. They are never going to win the title if they keep making these errors. Time for Binotto to go?

[gert]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Ferrari made the mistake of pitting the second time. They should have stayed out, they had more to lose by coming in and it proved. They are never going to win the title if they keep making these errors. Time for Binotto to go?

No, they didn't lose the race that way. Leclerc would have dropped down the order anyway on old tires (compared to Verstappen). THey were stuck with this strategy after their early first stop.

And I don't think that was a mistake either.
I didn't work out, but I think the opposite (Leclerc staying out, Verstappen pitting) would have given the same result.

IMO there was just no way Leclerc/Ferrari could have won yesterday.
(Barring mishap for Verstappen/Red Bull)

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Ferrari made the mistake of pitting the second time. They should have stayed out, they had more to lose by coming in and it proved. They are never going to win the title if they keep making these errors. Time for Binotto to go?

Time for Binotto to return to heading up the engine department - which he was very good at - if Ferrari do their usual scape goating job they will just lose another good guy. Their mistakes have been back through the post Todt era First a car salesman, then a Ciggerette salesman as team principle . What are they thinking of?!!! Get someone who knows the job - a Todt , or Brawn , or Domenicalli oh wait a minute.....

[Greem]

Binotto out. Vasseur in. All change!

https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/15...fa-romeo.shtml

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Greem

Binotto out. Vasseur in. All change!

https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/15...fa-romeo.shtml

Where there is smoke there is fire or clickbait rumour....

Ferrari has denied rumours in the Italian press that its current Formula 1 team principal Mattia Binotto is set to be replaced by Alfa Romeo's Fred Vasseur.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...role/10400360/

[Greem]

When things get to the point of appearing in the Gazzetta, which has immense reach into Italian sport, there's usually something behind it.

But we'll see, I guess.

[peebee2]

Would certainly be an upgrade.

[GT6]

Well in the world of Ferrari there is always someone to blame

[Richard C]

There is always someone who is brave enough (and with big enough of an ego) to step forward to run Ferrari F1. But frankly, would any sane person do it? Your likelihood of success is probably not that high, expectations are high, pressure is high, environment is probably not good and in the end, you will probably just be another team principle that is scapegoated and dumped on the trash heap.

Richard

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

There is always someone who is brave enough (and with big enough of an ego) to step forward to run Ferrari F1. But frankly, would any sane person do it? Your likelihood of success is probably not that high, expectations are high, pressure is high, environment is probably not good and in the end, you will probably just be another team principle that is scapegoated and dumped on the trash heap.

Richard

So, are you saying Ferrari's woes don't start at the top, Richard?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

So, are you saying Ferrari's woes don't start at the top, Richard?

That is a deep question to unpack. It might imply many things.

If there is a start, there is an end. Is the start and end at the same place (just singular poor leadership with Binotto). Or maybe the end is deeper within the team. Is the start and end even inside the team? I can't say one way or another. But I do feel the buck stops somewhere and that is at the top. And that seems to be Binotto. Is that even a good assumption? Is Binotto the top?

My point is that Ferrari F1 operates in a specific (and apparently difficult) environment. Of which many environmental factors are out of the control (or there is very little control) of whoever is at the top of the F1 team. So back to the "start and end of the problems" topic. Maybe the start, or the end, is some of those factors in which can't be control or are hard to mitigate.

Why does it seem to be hard for Ferrari to find success? What are those drivers that determine success or failure? Might be it hard for a single person to solve or mitigate enough of those to make the team a success? Are they empowered to solve the problems?

But in the end, you do have to wonder if Binotto has been given enough time to show if he is able to get it done. It's probably not a winning option to just keep doing whatever they are doing now. Even if it would be hard for most anyone else to do much better (IMHO). But they do seem to be a bit of a clown show these days. So that is why rumors like this are so believable.

Richard

[Akrapovic]

He's been team principle since 2019 and they still can't do basic things like pit stops and tyres correctly. He has had easily enough time to get things done.

When your team continues to make rookie errors every week for years, the problem does start at top. Because his job to make sure these errors stop.

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

That is a deep question to unpack. It might imply many things.

I’ve read this post several times and my head is still spinning

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

He's been team principle since 2019

It’s a wonderful quirk of English that whenever people get principle and principal mixed up, the wrong one often makes more sense.

[S griffin]

Ferrari need a change. Binotto's been given long enough, but this year has shown he can't get the structure in place to win the title. Whether Vassuer can do that, I don't know, but I think it's time they replaced Binotto either way.

They haven't really had a good enough team boss since they got rid of Domenicalli