this year's statistics on who's faster

[LYM]

Somebody brought up that figures are misleading, but wouldn't it be better if there are solids statistics instead of lapses of incidents to back up your viewpoint? Everytime a poster brought up something he was countered by another one, at different race, diferent place,different year. Scattered or imaginative examples could not support gain objective credibilty. Given the no of races that MS & MH have between, this might go on till next season.

[freud]

Dino IV

Let me make it clear that just like most of other members of this forum Imho Mika and Michael are drivers of equal calibre. I am in no way trying to justify that Michael is a slow driver or something. My point is that comparing their abilities Mika has a small edge over him specially when it comes to qualifying sessions. The edge may be 0.2 second per lap but its definitely there.

Now the problem arises as to how we PROVE the situation. I cannot put it in better words than those Michael himself said after the Belgium GP.

I never said I was the best driver in the world. Mika is a fast driver and who is the best can only be proved if we drive the same car.

Now, all MS fans read his statement carefully. He himself is not 100 % confident about his abilities and raw speed as compared to Mika.

Secondly, all of us know that there are grey areas in Ferrari about the equipment which Michael and his respective teammate get. Nobody can say convincingly that Michael's teammates have recieved exactly the same equipment as MS over past many years. on the other hand Mclaren has always given both his teammates equal machinery.

With this background in mind we take a look at the Monza qualifying session as DINO IV puts it. I thank DINO IV for noticing this qualifying differential between MS/Rubens and Mika/DC. I have to say I AM AMAZED. While both Michael and Rubens have almost nothing between them, Mika outqualified DC by akmost 0.4 seconds.. In a circuit like Monza, driving a Mclarens, having 100 percent equal machinery....THIS IS A PROOF OF MIKA'S SUPERIORITY IN RAW PACE OVER A SINGLE LAP. He just blasted DC who imho is a faster driver than Rubens in all respects. Michael cant dominate Rubens in qualifying I doubt his ability to face Mika?? And I understand the reason why he scared away from joining Mclarens with Mika as his teammate though Mika was ready....

[downforce]

"on the other hand Mclaren has always given both his teammates equal machinery. "...

On what basis are u saying this freud?

JJLehto, Piquet, Andreas, Herbert, Verstappen and Irv havent exactly proven to be champs after they quit as teammates of Michael.

Or have they?

So if DC can pull off 3 gifted wins in a season, does it mean his equipment is the same ?
In that case, Hockenheim proved that Rubens has the same Equip too?

Like I said before once Schuey takes the 2000 crown its gonna be Mikas got a better chin!!!!?

[Gt_R]

i agree, downforce. Unfortunately, you never know if Mclaren is giving equal equipment for their drivers. Or if Ferrari gave michael the superior car. What we know are things reported by the media, mostly british media, which understandably favour a british team more, and are more critical of other teams.

It is unfair to say such stuffs about Ferrari just because one is pro-mclaren, and as Rubens said, it doesnt matter if talks are that he gets a lousy car compared to Schumacher, because to him, the car is perfect and it can win races, and that is all that matters to him. By the way, you have not heard Rubens complained alot about Ferrari lately, compared to Nurburgring, probably because he is fully comfortable in Ferrari, and had in fact, built a friendship with MS.

And Mclaren might have given equal cars to both, but in race strategy has always favoured Mika this season. Weird issnt it? And issnt it weird how fast Mika could start twice brilliantly in a row without a hint of wheelspin in Hungary GP and the race before, yet couldnt do it again after Ferrari brought up certain diff problems to the FIA??

[neutral]

Good points Gt_R. I would just like to finish this topic off by saying that no matter which way you try to argue for Mika, there is no evidence to suggest that he in any way has shown speed in line with MS. As expected, once Michael got equipment capable of challenging Mclaren, he really showed who is the true speed king of F1.

[downforce]

[LYM]

originally posted by Downforce

"on the other hand Mclaren has always given both his teammates equal machinery. "...

I think that's true guys. I read an article from BBC sports after Monza that McLaren admitted they started this season by giving full support to both MH and DC, and would concentrate on only MH after DC was no longer in the race realistically.

On the other hand, Ferrari told RB from the start that he will be in a supporting role to MS.

Maybe that a mistake by Ron Dennis,they should emphasize on just one driver and his car, whoever he is.