Electronic Ignition.. Yes or No!

[john ruston]

Seems ignition systems are one of the things being checked this year along with capacity and weight so points means prizes and electric systems get you chucked out.Many of the cars at last LMC got punished for this with all/most of T70's being docked 1 min per race

[terence]

The same goes for anything else that is currently illegal,not before time I say!!

[esper]

here some noise from the middle of the grid. mallory with modified cam and single points. electronics are better but this is the way to do it. no more wobbly lucas distributor shafts. I got one of those old Alen distributor testers in my workshop. Lucas is perfectly alright if you don't care about wobbly 5 degrees differences in spark

[terence]

A period modification then Esper

[jonners]

I trust all of you will be using period coils, HT leads and spark plugs too!!

Some period 5 star would be nice though...

Recreating period spec points that are no longer available is one thing but can't see the difference (in terms of historic purity) between very basic electronic ignition and specially adapted points by Mallory, or whoever

[Al Weyman]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

Hey Al don't most of the old tanks have twin points?,

Yes but when you hook it up to MSD they tell you to ditch one set which resides in my tool box as a spare.

[Al Weyman]

Originally Posted by jonners

I trust all of you will be using period coils, HT leads and spark plugs too!!

Some period 5 star would be nice though...

Recreating period spec points that are no longer available is one thing but can't see the difference (in terms of historic purity) between very basic electronic ignition and specially adapted points by Mallory, or whoever

If the points are basically the same or very similiar whats the differnce than using something special you have had made up?

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Yes but when you hook it up to MSD they tell you to ditch one set which resides in my tool box as a spare.

Al why I asked was that I noticed that some of the sets of points on the link were "twice" the price of others.
I have fitted different sets of points in things over the years if I couldn't find anything available, it ain't rocket science. But I can see the argument on its not original. But lets face it I doubt if there are many (or any) cars racing today that are using solely period original parts.

[terence]

I doubt there are ANY original points available.I had a look on E-Bay and there are points sets on there at £10 a set,but is that the place to buy from,I dont think so!

[Tim Falce]

I have a couple of brand new in the package original sets of points hanging around somewhere, I must try and dig them out.

[zefarelly]

£50 for each side of the points I reckon Falcemob

and £30 for the spring

[terence]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

£50 for each side of the points I reckon Falcemob

and £30 for the spring

Oi ! Who's side are you on?

[GORDON STREETER]

What actual points are you after Terry. Are they the 423153 (yes I've been about) Lucas one's that used to fit "everything" in the world.
Joking aside what problems do you get with pattern points.

[terence]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

What actual points are you after Terry. Are they the 423153 (yes I've been about) Lucas one's that used to fit "everything" in the world.
Joking aside what problems do you get with pattern points.

Quite major one's. I'm not too keen on the low tension wire shearing at the connection to the condensor!.I know there is a huge amount of vibration on these engines but have never experienced a problem like this before.I have literaly just come off the phone to a very well known Mini racer/tuner who has given me another number to call.See-ing as I have the Lucas 45 fitted there is not much choice at the moment,I could revert back to the 23 type dizzy and use new [re-made] Cooper S points though.

[GORDON STREETER]

You note I did say "points" and that type didn't come with the wire. the LT wire was part of the plastic bush that slipped into the side of the dizzy.
Email me a picture of the points you need .

[terence]

I cant access your site Gordon so here goes. Where black meets orange there is a metal plate,you can just about make out that the wire is broken just where it is crimped to the plate,you can see the black wire is just dangling in mid air------ apparently this gap was too wide.!!!!

[Race4Fun]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Yes but when you hook it up to MSD they tell you to ditch one set which resides in my tool box as a spare.

Am I missing something?

An MSA scrutineer told me he would not give me an HTP with the MSD system fitted to my standard points set up....

[terence]

Obviously !! Al's car is not an FIA car so dont start getting excited.

[Al Weyman]

Its not but probably more legal to the spirit of FIA regs than some I have read here as the important components that make the real difference (certainly not points) like engine capacity and the the original amount of 4 cogs in the gearbox and the right back axle!

[delta]

Terence , where do you get your rotor arms from. I can only get the rivet type.

[terence]

I could tell you but I'd---- -- ---- ---. On the other hand,you could try Nick Swift.I do have his number.

[GORDON STREETER]

OK Terry I know exactly what points you mean. I though you boys ran "old "cars !! Those are the last knocking's of Lucas points.

[GORDON STREETER]

That problem is a classic on vac advance dizzy's because the points table keeps moving back and forth and breaks the wire. The originals had a much more of a multi core softer wire that lasted years.
That can't happen if you don't back off

[Steve Hill]

There is a solution, New baseplates for Lucas dizzys are available, which then enable you to fit a set of 'modern' Bosch points = availability and reliability, but not original.How would this stand with the Scruts.
Out of 5 seasons racing using the original Lucas set up we have had one DNF. with 3mins left of a 90min race the brass part of the rotor arm parted company.
If you check out fleabay, original points are available I just brought a set for £2.95, in my opinion running points and being reliable is all part of proper preparation

[rogerwills]

Steve, where can you get the baseplates?