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rbs, I'm hoping that Marcus M's response was tongue in cheek, given his follow up remarks. I cannot imagine the HSCC giving this even a second glance.
Like Simon, I have no problem with them being built per se, but the timing is most unfortunate, we have too much racing anyway, and it has nothing to do with historic racing. So, if they ever get beyond trackdays and there is enough of them to form a grid, I agree that they may be fun at a modern race meeting. |
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Whilst the cars look like they could be fun to watch if a sufficient number were to be sold (which is debatable given the current circumstances), then I do think a race series wouldn't be a bad idea. However, in my mind Historic races should be just that and therefore this potential race series should be included in other meetings. I'd agree with rbs in that racing alongside the SRGT Challenge would seem a good fit.
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It looks like the FIA have openings for what they call Free Formula (appendix J, article 277) however being neither a lawyer nor a rocket scientist I am unable to make head or tail of it. Presumably if these cars want to race (rather than track test) they will have to comply. However if the builder were to make a deal with somebody who at the time built spaceframe F5000 or FA cars then he could build an exact replica and get the cars HTP's, in which case the HSCC would probably accept them. So the question is, what were the space frame FA cars built in 1967 or so? I think in 1967 FA existed but most of the cars racing were ex-F1 (ie 3 litre cars, usually the very first generation with Climax 4 engines). There was the Lola T142 but presumably Lola could built replicas themselves! Might need a Hewland gearbox however. As I shall now be away for 3 weeks sunning myself in South Africa while you lot freeze I hope you can sort all this out if and when I get back. All the best Marcus |
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All the cars are going to be to the same spec though Marcus, not based on any specific historic car but 'a classically styled racecar with modern , reliable , obtainable mechanic' so I don't think that your scenario applies here.
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I guess the option would either be a one make series or blagging their way in to something else (possibly non-historic) as a guest class.
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He (the guy) is right in a way about racing being ruined by aerodynamics - these are really 5litre Formula Fords. Pretty lethal I should think. Will try and send some news from SA but my mini computer had a heart attack when I tried to connect it to 10/10ths. All the best Marcus |
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Here we go again.Can't wait for the Arch Motors bit.They are new cars.
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I agree you didn't but history for some people tends to get muddled .When people mention built in same factory,direct line to a 1960's manufacturer it reminds some of us of the previous threads on here where people have used that as a basis of confirming the authenticity of new cars as old.Sorry to involve you in that line of thought as I assume these are marketed as new cars and should be raced as such.
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I think we've strayed a bit here (no change there then ) but I believe Eamon's point was one of pride in that the new Crossle's are keeping a tradition (if I may use that word) going and maintaining a great racing name.
In connection with the proposed F1-1967 cars that tradition may be diluted if they used a Crossle body simply because these cars are totally new ground up recreations of a design/concept rather than a continuation of an original manufacturer. Anyway there's no denying that if one could find somewhere to race them, they'd be great fun. |
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Crossle were involved with some of the first continuation sports cars about four years ago which also included work by Terry the Heavy Tractor man in Essex.Will remember his surname later.
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The Crossle 9S Continuation cars (both Clubman and HTP) are well catered for in the SRGT Challenge which flies under the 750MC flag. In my view this is the most appropriate class for Continuation cars. The first of these continuation cars was built in 1987 and the current run commenced about 10/11 years ago. My understanding of the Maldon man's involvement was that he acted as a sales agent for a while about 5 years ago. I studied the F1-1967 car in some detail at NEC show recently and it is an interesting, well engineered recreation. My only concerns would be that I cannot see where it might race or how it could become a commercial success in these difficult times. |
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f1-67 update
car has now run twice at mallory with no fault except overcooling - anyone interested in a test please get in touch via website , some footage here : http://www.f1-67.com/videos.html
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well new car sales are down again this month John
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If someone wants a Race car that can be used most weekends why not that real Irish job that is for sale on here.
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the car is intended to give the feel and thrill of that type of car reliably and will be available to the masses rather than some elitist few , already drivers from novice racers through to national champions have tried the car and found it very driveable and capable ( mallory 49 secs / 100 mph average with low revlimit and basic setup not too shabby for a brand new car ) and that experience would never have been possible for them with an original car - i do not rely on the car for a business income , i might sell 1 , none or maybe more , who knows - the market as usual will decide , from my point of view it would be fantastic to have a grid in period colours , all identical and would make a great driving challenge but im certainly not naive enough to think it is going to happen either at all / overnight - Quote:
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Welcome f1-67, and thank you for entering the lion's den and for your response; it's good to hear from the 'horse's mouth', as it were, and the thinking behind this new product. I guess we can understand that approach, and note the enthusiasm for the 1960's which is shared by many here. However, John is merely expressing a view to which he is entitled; one, which you will see, is shared by some others albeit, not so forcefully. You will also note a number of drivers in historic racing who would love to have a go in one of your cars, so it's a two way discussion. Although, historic racing is a broad church with widely differing views of what fits in that description, I doubt many would regard your venture as naturally fitting into it. I would imagine that they would be reassurred by the fact that there is no intention to try to race these in historic circles. However, as you rightly state, you did not start this thread. At a time when we are in recession and even before that there seemed to be a widespread view that there is too much racing already, it would be interesting to know if you have a particular target market. It does sound to me that this is a hobby turned possible commercial venture (I can identify very easily with that!) and I'm sure we wish you well in a this endeavour. As a another matter of interest, do you think that there is another forum on this is site in which this thread might better fit?
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