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Phoenix1 · 15 Sep 2003, 17:41 (Ref:719774)

Firstly I'm a neutral on James Allen I think it's hurt him alot that he came in and was seen as Murrys replacement and secondly you should try CARt commentary when they have not got live ESPN commentry half the time I think they pick the drivers names from a hat! Everyone loved Murrys mistakes and I think alot of people where caught out when Gene went into the lead. On the TV it was hard to see the helemts as Ralfs is more distinct in relation to JPM than Gene's. I for one was fooled for while until the timing beam. It would help if the cars ran numbers again or had an obvious difference like with the wing mirrors and/or maybe the camara on the top of the car could be silver on one and yellow on another (not yellow on one red on another as that's not so distinct).

tally-bally-ho · 15 Sep 2003, 17:57 (Ref:719792)

After the 1st lap excitement James Allen had a tough job to try and make the race sound interesting. It was obvious to me that MS/Bridgestone/Ferrari were on a different planet, and even more obvious that the "Will Juan catch Michael" line would be used and abused until the chequered flag. James is a berk but he was only doing what ITV bosses wanted, namely creating fictional drama, sad isn't it?

**Asp** · 15 Sep 2003, 21:09 (Ref:720053)

A large number of people got caught out by Gene. Even I did (for a split second) However, the TV camera focused on the secondWilliams as they went round the Lesmos, gave the graphic on screen as Gene on the first Williams, and passed through 2 intermediates before the guys spotted the mistake. Mind you, the commentary after was great, so clearly egg on their face!

RWC · 15 Sep 2003, 22:57 (Ref:720136)

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Originally posted by Irv the Swerve

Bring back Murray for the love of God.

NO,noooo not that!!
He made even worse mistakes and there is only so far one can allow mistakes before one goes from calling that(and his hiddeously irritating race voice)charming to senile old git

RWC · 15 Sep 2003, 22:58 (Ref:720137)

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Originally posted by ASCII Man
I don't know, i must've been sleeping during that part or something.
Or taking a whizz, getting some more beer/food, kicking the cat for throwing up all over the place...

LOL
your f1 experience sounds more interesting than mine!

f1manoz · 15 Sep 2003, 22:59 (Ref:720138)

I have no problem with commentators showing a bit of bias. Let's not forget we had Murray Walker kiss TGF's ass for years on end (you are forgiven Murray

)

RWC · 15 Sep 2003, 23:00 (Ref:720140)

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Originally posted by jonathanc

What amazed me more though was the fact that the italian fans bought wire cutters with them in anticipation of a track invasion.

Sound like par for the course at monza from what i've heard...
Recently read fan reports that talk about no-one paying to get in,holes in fences everywhere,gangs controlling 'their' spots at the fence,etc
still-st least there is enthusiasm there,the rest can be fixed

DriverT · 16 Sep 2003, 08:18 (Ref:720390)

Maybe James Allen is giving the drivers the benefit of the doubt rather than the constant criticism they seem to get from the press. But he does seem to give his opinions and insist they are fact, true. I also noticed, as mentioned above, that the excitement in James Allen's voice notably dropped.

I seem to remember the one and only Murray Walker making far more mistakes than that. He also had bias towards drivers; Damon Hill for one.

Remember Jonathan Palmer. The amount of races he used to go on and on and on, waxing lyrical about TGF is huge. It eventually got to the point where everything he said annoyed me.

But I agree that commentators should be unbiased as far as possible.

TwoSheds · 16 Sep 2003, 12:21 (Ref:720636)

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Originally posted by Phoenix1
snip

It would help if the cars ran numbers again or had an obvious difference like with the wing mirrors and/or maybe the camara on the top of the car could be silver on one and yellow on another (not yellow on one red on another as that's not so distinct).

The cameras are different for each team. One is plain black(?) while the other has a coloured band on it. As a flag marshal at the British GP this year I used this plus the different helmet designs to distinquish between cars.

Phoenix1 · 16 Sep 2003, 14:41 (Ref:720809)

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Originally posted by TwoSheds
The cameras are different for each team. One is plain black(?) while the other has a coloured band on it. As a flag marshal at the British GP this year I used this plus the different helmet designs to distinquish between cars.

*Cough* opps (I'll go stand in the corner for a while now.

TwoSheds · 17 Sep 2003, 12:28 (Ref:721758)

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Originally posted by Phoenix1
*Cough* opps (I'll go stand in the corner for a while now.

No need to do that

, as a flag marshal I was quite close to the cars (relatively speaking

, and certainly not as close as the priest or Stephen the priest catcher) and even then it wasn't easy to spot the camera colours, on the TV it's even harder.

Kicking-back · 17 Sep 2003, 13:35 (Ref:721849)

Murray was biased towards Schumacher

James is biased towards Schumacher

DriverT · 17 Sep 2003, 13:45 (Ref:721866)

Hmmmm Murray was biased towards TGF a little, but more biased towards Hill. But I agree about James.

Kicking-back · 17 Sep 2003, 14:30 (Ref:721905)

In the battles between Hill and Schumacher Murray tended to back Damon because he was mates with Graham.

Since 97 Murray was very-pro Schumacher and I often thought quite unfairly negative about Mika Hakkinen.

DriverT · 17 Sep 2003, 20:47 (Ref:722355)

Yeah that is true.

rodrigomarban · 17 Sep 2003, 21:04 (Ref:722372)

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Originally posted by Suzy

Ferrari thought it was Juan, the Italian commentators AT THE CIRCUIT thought it was Juan, a lot of the CROWD AT THE CIRCUIT thought it was Juan. Heck, even the FIA computer said it was Juan! And that computer is the official timekeeper for the weekend!!! If the FIA ain't got a clue who is leading, then who on earth can.

I knew it was Gené because the camera had shown him in the lead ahead of Montoya.

What worries me is that this is the second time that the FIA timing fails. We have to remember about the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Do you think errors like this may lead to a big confusion someday?

DriverT · 17 Sep 2003, 21:07 (Ref:722376)

Well talking of confusion, I remember the Australian GP 1994 particularly clearly, as I fell asleep shortly after the start and woke up seeing the Williams cross the line in first place...

bittersweet symphony ;-)

DriverT · 17 Sep 2003, 21:08 (Ref:722377)

... but I guess that's incidental, sorry. :-D

Pitstop · 17 Sep 2003, 21:53 (Ref:722433)

I think James Allen should be replaced by Peter Windsor - but would he take the job?

**Adam43** · 17 Sep 2003, 23:14 (Ref:722521)

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Originally posted by rodrigomarban
What worries me is that this is the second time that the FIA timing fails.

It did not fail. It always showed Gene ahead of Montoya. It was never wrong. It is how I knew that it was likely that Michael would come out between them.

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Originally posted by rodrigomarban
We have to remember about the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Again it was never wrong. The problem was the timing of the red flag, not the timing of the cars.

**Adam43** · 17 Sep 2003, 23:17 (Ref:722522)

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Originally posted by Pitstop
I think James Allen should be replaced by Peter Windsor - but would he take the job?

I like Peter, but for me it has to be Ben Edwards.

Peter can replace Lenny or Jangle Jangle or both!

GTV27 · 18 Sep 2003, 02:47 (Ref:722610)

I couldn't believe that James made the mistake (it was a shouting at the TV moment, much to the annoyance of the missus). ITS NOT $%^& MONTOYA, ITS $%^& GENE YOU $%^&WIT - or words to that effect.

I was then astounded that Martin also fell into the trap, at least for a short while. (Talking and looking at monitors and looking out the window and receiving direction from ITV must be a bit much at times)

But it absolutely defies belief that Ross Brawn got it wrong as well (although, admittedly, Ross would have had a lot on the go at that point and the position of the second Williams may not have been near the top of the list).

However, all said, James Allen is wracking up the goofs at an alarming rate, not yet at M. Walker territory yet, but he's getting there.

I'd like to have Peter Windsor wandering the pit lane getting interviews and "technical" updates during the race.

Led ZeppF1 · 18 Sep 2003, 07:41 (Ref:722732)

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Originally posted by Jukebox
Like always....ITV commentators favours Montoya. nothing new

Like always, TV commentators representating what their viewers's need or hope...

DriverT · 18 Sep 2003, 10:07 (Ref:722858)

Indeed.

DSM · 18 Sep 2003, 10:17 (Ref:722868)

QUOTE:'I couldn't believe that James made the mistake (it was a shouting at the TV moment, much to the annoyance of the missus). ITS NOT $%^& MONTOYA, ITS $%^& GENE YOU $%^&WIT - or words to that effect.'

Ah, so I'm not the only one who shouts at the telly?! Apparently it's a sign of getting old!

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