Hah Hah Hah Hah!!! Montoya's Mistake

[RT]

Whatever the wording, it's clear that for the second race in a row Juan let his "emotions" get the best of him and decided to challenge for a "proud moment" with the result that he blew any chance of winning the race.

Talent or not, he should know better than risk it all while it's clear he has an enormous power advantage thanks to the BMW engine, an advantage he could have used in a more intelligent manouver later on.

Perhaps "dumb" is not a word some like. Would "Immature", "Intellectually Underdeveloped", or "Incompetent" be better?. I don't know...dumb kind of sums it all. Schumacher (the poster) shouldn't be attacked for telling the truth.

Cheers,

[Kex]

Hehehehe.

[Mania]

Two huge mistakes by Montoya within 2 corners. First he braked late, ran wide, and Schumacher easily passed him. Then, he started diving all over the place and rammed into the back of Schumacher.

Two big mistakes. I dont think Frank will be happy, nor should he be. Just before the start he came on ITV and said the team was worried about the first corner and hoped both drivers would be sensible. As it turns out the sensible one finished 2nd, and the rather ambitious one ruined his own race.

[DavyboyLT1]

I didn't get a very good look at the incident on the world feed.

When are these directors going to realize that they have to stay with the lead cars on the first lap?? - that's where the action often is.....

[Mania]

Originally posted by RT

Perhaps "dumb" is not a word some like. Would "Immature", "Intellectually Underdeveloped", or "Incompetent" be better?. I don't know...dumb kind of sums it all.

Cheers,

Agreed.

[Kex]

Yeah some directors could do better.

[Inigo Montoya]

No need for this nonsense. Small mistake by Monty - everyone makes them..

[EERO]

In the replay from the back of Michael's car, Juan did not touch MS. If there was contact, it happened before the third corner and the damage to the front wing caused it to fail at that point.

Montoya was over eager and made two mistakes. Round Three to Michael.

To our Poster Schumacher, Trolling will not be tolerated on this BB. Clean up your act. It is possible to express an opinion without being inflammetory. If you prove to be incapable of civil discourse, you will not be welcome here.

[Mantis13]

JPM trying to win the race in the first lap. Looking on the bright side of it, he still managed to finish fifth. Despite the inicident he is very much in the hunt for the WDC. He has more then a few races to make up for things.

[StuiE]

Originally posted by EERO
In the replay from the back of Michael's car, Juan did not touch MS. If there was contact, it happened before the third corner and the damage to the front wing caused it to fail at that point.

is that the same footage that i just saw? it clearly touched, albeit slightly and then it disintegrated

[Mania]

At the end of the day, its another silly mistake by Montoya.

I mentioned in another thread a couple of days ago, that Schumachers mind games are beginning to have an effect on Montoya.

I was right again. Montoya seems to be going for Yahoo moves on Schumacher rather than using his head and the speed that the BMW Williams has.

Ralf is already ahead of him in the championship despite finishing only 2 out of the 3 races so far. Montoya finished all 3 and hes behind.

Just goes to show, theres more to being a racing driver than running your mouth all the time.

[Number Juan]

yeah it definately touched. it was ever so slight though. still i think its Juan's fault - he was behind schumi down that straight all the way it wasnt like a sudden chop that everybody is going on about!!!

[neilap]

so jpm's wing broke just like that then!

I am not saying that is the case they just did not look like they touched where his wing came off. It is not impossible for parts to fail, is it? I also disagree with the opinion that it was JPM's fault. If they did touch its because MS swerved not because JPM wanted to pass. He looked to be a lot faster than MS. If my math is correct there are still 14 more races so JPM still has a lot of time to fight. For those who feel that RS drove a good race, I also disagree. He did what anyone could have done. He never tried to pass MS. He does not have heart. Sere how well he was able to close the gap but then not ablet to pass. I bet if MS had made a mistake he would have passed on went on to leave. Sorry that is not WDC material in my view. The best thing about RS is his ability to stay out of trouble. JPM should learn that from him.

[Mania]

neilap.

Maybe you should learn that one cannot pass unless you're close enough to pass. Ralf was never in the slip stream nor was he close enough to take a dive into 1. Maybe taking wild and reckless stabs is your and Montoyas forte but look where it got him.

As for Ralf being the Championship material - we'll find that out at the end of the season. I trust you wont disappear by then.

[neilap]

"Maybe I should learn..." wtf?? maybe you should learn how to begin a post! RS did not want to pass. He was resigned to come in second. If you cant see that it is called blind faith. By the way who did he pass all race? Besides lapped traffic. I dont mean to imply he is not good enough to win. So if I made it seem that way a apologise. However if I needed a race won I would much rather have JPM on my side instead of RS. It is like Mika and MS. Both are great but we see who the better racer is. Maybe you need to do something too. Look back at Michaels career. See how many times he has done things that some might consider too aggressive. Yet, he is the best.

[Mr V]

Originally posted by Mania
neilap.

Maybe you should learn that one cannot pass unless you're close enough to pass. Ralf was never in the slip stream nor was he close enough to take a dive into 1.

maybe if he had listened to his pit crew who were telling him to use his boost button he might have been close enough!

[Damon]

Superb race from start to finish. Montoya demonstrated the sporting way to lead from pole and the two were very good though the Senna bends. Unfortunatly Montoya clipped MS's rear wheel to the tinest degree possiblt as they went into turn 4 and that was that. No major mistake, no drama, they ran close and the result occured. Montoya clearly wasn't too rattled as he went on to drive a blinding race to finish 5th.

On a lighter note I would like to congratulate Sky for such superb coverage, it was absolutly superb. We even heard Ralf being told he could use his 'boost button' (what ever that is) when he was catching MS at the end! Great!

[Mr V]

Originally posted by Damon

We even heard Ralf being told he could use his 'boost button' (what ever that is) when he was catching MS at the end! Great!

what a shame that rafe didn't hear this aswell!

[Sato san]

yer ...great coverage from sky..Its a must every race now.

[Damon]

For those saying "Montoya's an idiot", "racing as a one lap race". I have a copy of the F1 review video for the '92 season. In it is a very amusing incident in France. On lap one, going into the adelaide hairpin the top 3 reads Mansell, Patrese, Senna. In 7th place is one M. Schumacher. From this position he brakes way too late and slams into Senna's side pod, eliminating him on the spot.

In other words they've all done it, even Schu. Experiance counts for a lot and JPM is gaining race by race.

[Valve Bounce]

Originally posted by Crank Case
I find it a bit offensive to have a thread entitled Dumb Montoya to call any driver dumb is not constructive or called for.
Then you just call him a fool.?
WTF

Sorry!! But I thought it was dumb, and I thought that for over one and a half hours. It was a dumb move, because he could have won with a little patience. It takes the Michelins around ten laps before they really perform, and he could have just waited. Just the same, it was a great race by MSch, you can't take that away from him. I believe in a fair comment, and that's fair.

[paulzinho]

At least Michael knows that JPM isn't going to lift!!!

Yeah maybe he made a mistake but IMO it was another racing incident (I also admit that there have been a few of these!!!!)

[Number Juan]

well seeing as when you are competitively fighting for positions, theres always going to be a huge number of 'racing incidents' because the rule of averages says you wont win them all the time as well as you wont come out the other end smelling like roses all the time

[Mania]

Originally posted by neilap
"RS did not want to pass. He was resigned to come in second. If you cant see that it is called blind faith.

If you cant see that he was pushing as hard as possible then you need to invest in a pair of glasses.

You should also do what I suggested earlier - watch the race next time around.

[Ralf's Girl]

Originally posted by Mantis13
Despite the inicident he is very much in the hunt for the WDC.

He won't be for much longer if he keeps making foolish mistakes like that. He could have won that race and now be leading the championship, and it is his own fault that he isn't.