CAMS and Track Licences - Page 2

Matthew Ronke · 28 Jan 2004, 20:34 (Ref:854213)

Here is one for AVESCO, PROCAR, Cup Car, Mopro, circuit operators and anyone else who pays CAMS significant dollars. In the US I believe NASCAR pay ACCUS (FIA ASN in the US) $6,000 pa for the right to run NASCAR. Currently NASCAR generates more income than F1. Therefore why is the cost of running under CAMS so high.

Big Trev · 28 Jan 2004, 20:41 (Ref:854218)

Hi Matt, does NASCAR provide their own insurance, or do AACUS provide it?

RaceTime · 1 Feb 2004, 03:38 (Ref:858490)

See new thread on CAMS and NSW track licences.

mtpanorama - can this thread now be locked please?

Big Trev · 5 Feb 2004, 09:02 (Ref:863719)

This was posted on www.procar.com.au by Ray Bell this evening

Quote:

Winton's meeting with CAMS happened and they have been offered a 21 day temporary licence. And paid some money towards it too, in the interests of the sport and the competitors who are relying on them.

But there are aspects worth considering here...

1. Nethercote denied them any thought of a temporary licence.

2. Nethercote wasn't a party to the negotiations that led to the agreement in principle... it was brokered by CAMS Board member Bob Glindeman (sp?) when Nethercote didn't turn up for a meeting that was put off so he could.

3. More importantly, the CAMS have to yet decide if they will accept the conditions Winton have put on the agreement.

I'm sure there's more to be heard about all this... but it's good to see that Mick Ronke (edit: and President of BAC - Bruce Robertson) are/is still in there fighting!

**GTRMagic** · 5 Feb 2004, 09:39 (Ref:863751)

Fundamentally, the teams are putting pressure on AVESCO to get its shyt together with the circuit licencing issue. Its 4 weeks to the AGP, and no team has tested anywhere this year (using their TEGA logs books anyway

)

It still puts at risk the Winton and QR rounds...

RaceTime · 5 Feb 2004, 09:47 (Ref:863761)

Thnk you will find that AVESCO are putting pressure on CAMS to fix the licencing mess...

**GTRMagic** · 5 Feb 2004, 09:57 (Ref:863770)

Since AVESCO have been determined time and time again to be devoid of free and independent thought... the teams light the touch paper under AVESCO, who in turn help their old former owner buddies at CAMS to play russian roulette

Kind arent they

RaceTime · 5 Feb 2004, 10:49 (Ref:863818)

Let's add a bit more information to Big Trev's post.

As I understand it - at present Winton has a temporary track licence valid until Feb 26th and Queensland Raceway ALSO have a temporary track licence - but only valid for 14 days - until around the 19th or 20th of this month - I believe teams are currently desperately attempting to change or re-arrange testing dates.

The two permits were, so I believe, arranged seperately - so it wouldn't be wise to try and read anything into either one of them.

My information is that Wintons licence - and the money they paid for it - is dependant on certain conditions being met by CAMS. If these conditions are NOT met, I believe the fee Winton has paid is to be refunded IN FULL. CAMS are aware that Winton is the biggest customer of CAMS in relation to track licences - if Winton decide to move even half their CAMS permits to anyone else, CAMS has a lot more to lose.

With Queensland Raceway it is different - for Tetley to have accepted and pay the amount I have heard, there must have been some serious compromising by CAMS.

I would say that this issue is far from over - it has merely been delayed for 2 to 3 weeks - which will be interesting - because when Wintons temporary licence is due to expire, CAMS will have relocated to its new, temporary head office at Albert Park (otherwise called 'The Old Boys Club').

Oh - and the amount paid by each - well it wouldn't be right to give those figures away, but if you watch The Price Is Right - the figure(s) are between $19,000 and $25,000 - but, believe it or not - even I have some morals!

scoupe · 5 Feb 2004, 11:01 (Ref:863836)

I wonder if QR got a 30 day account

So what happens if QR doesnt send the Chq !!!!!

RaceTime · 5 Feb 2004, 11:03 (Ref:863838)

I believe cheque immediately or no licence.

scoupe · 5 Feb 2004, 11:05 (Ref:863842)

Does QR get a 14 day cooling off period

**GTRMagic** · 5 Feb 2004, 11:12 (Ref:863850)

Quote:

Originally posted by RaceTime
...CAMS will have relocated to its new, temporary head office at Albert Park (otherwise called 'The Old Boys Club')...

Oakely Doakely... why is CAMS moving headquarters for? Is this purely for the AGP, so their European sports cars are closer to the gate, or is the current Malvern headquarters on the block?

RaceTime · 5 Feb 2004, 11:13 (Ref:863851)

Nothing meant by this other than the annual migration for the GP. AFAIK there would only be a skeleton staff left at Malvern between March 4 and 7th.

Matthew Ronke · 5 Feb 2004, 21:45 (Ref:864586)

V8's have commenced testing about 1/2 hr ago at Winton.

sevi · 5 Feb 2004, 22:30 (Ref:864650)

When most V8 teams have booked to test at QR at the end of the month, why haven't they been given their temp licence to cover those dates. These guys are not doing the teams any favours at all.

**GTRMagic** · 5 Feb 2004, 22:45 (Ref:864689)

Why would they do anyone any favours... the teams arent the customers, the egomaniacal delusionists at AVESCO remain convinced their way is the only way...

pete55 · 6 Feb 2004, 05:57 (Ref:865029)

Who is testing Matthew?

Matthew Ronke · 6 Feb 2004, 06:04 (Ref:865035)

Sorry Pete we have an arrangment with the teams not to comment on what they are doing. Its their business to share not ours. Altough I can say it was two Konica Cars.

pete55 · 6 Feb 2004, 06:07 (Ref:865036)

Ok thanks Matthew. Any interesting new colours or sponsors that you cam't tell us about?

Big Trev · 6 Feb 2004, 06:39 (Ref:865056)

Sorry Pete, because Matt is employed by Winton Motor Raceway he can't comment on such things. You could imagine what would happen to their bussines if he posted on here new car liveries, if that info hadn't been given to the media first. He wouldn't be a very popular lad.

RaceTime · 6 Feb 2004, 06:41 (Ref:865057)

OK next question then - when these cars are at the track, is it a closed or open track/venue?

Big Trev · 6 Feb 2004, 06:45 (Ref:865059)

Normally the gates are open from my understanding (and observations)

pete55 · 6 Feb 2004, 07:14 (Ref:865072)

Trev. i was only asking for a yes or no.

Matthew Ronke · 7 Feb 2004, 06:15 (Ref:866095)

This was in CAMS Vic state Minutes on May 6th 2003

Clubs
Club re-affiliation – clubs are questioning the value of CAMS Club affiliation. Clubs are not
familiar with insurance cover provided with affiliation. Re-iterating the scope of cover assists
their decision. Preparing to make personal contact with clubs yet to re-affiliate.
A discussion document detailing Club low-level permit option differences between the State
Offices is to be conveyed to the CAMS CEO prior to distribution. There is a need to
standardise on the permit options and costs being offered to clubs across all of the States.
Furthermore, there is also a need to define the scope of insurance that is part of Track
Licenses, Competitor Licenses, Event Permits and Club Affiliation.

Yet for 2004 CAMS moves to a system where permit structure and fees don't even match in the same state.

Big Trev · 8 Feb 2004, 23:27 (Ref:867558)

Does that include Benalla Auto Club Matt?

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