[WEC] Ginetta LMP1

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

750kg is not easy task, explains the cost of the car a bit better as well considering the materials, design and additional machining time & complexity for a lot of the parts.

If they can reliably achieve 750kg and > 600hp this thing is going to be bloody awesome.

That would be cool if they could run at 750kg, but they'll ballast it to the minimum weight which is currently 830kg.

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by TF110

That would be cool if they could run at 750kg, but they'll ballast it to the minimum weight which is currently 830kg.

Ah right, I misunderstood, still, 830kg and more power than the P2 should at least give them a decent pace advantage over that class so we don't see the mess that is Kolles.

[chernaudi]

The last LMP cars that I know of that were 750KG or less unballasted where the 2012/2013 and later Audi R18s, and the LMP1 wolf in LMP2 sheep's clothing that was the Porsche RS Spyder (750kg was LMP2 minimum at the time, and was the only car to meet that with ballast). Also most LMP675s that were purpose built for those regs were down to below 700kg with ballast, which of course is part of the reason they were so fragile.

I know that the Toyota LMP1s and the Porsche 919s are obviously ballasted to meet 875kg, but I doubt that they're 750kg unladen. Also, LMPs are weighed without drivers or fuel onboard.

[hondafan37]

Good interviews with Bruno Engelric (Mecachrome) and Paolo Catone (consultant)
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/bru...pied-en-lm-p1/
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/pao...-est-excitant/

[RWill2073]

I'm glad others see the Cadillac likeness in this design.

[ModelT]

Originally Posted by Ospi

The engine package deal is interesting, that's an awful lot of money for what's actually quite a standard engine package. Does it include the rebuild costs which would have to occur at least once during the season? Does it include a spare engine which will be a necessity? What about the gearbox & bellhousing? Still not enough info yet but that cost definitely caught my interest so I'm keen to know all the details which that cost accounts for.

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I am also curious as to what this engine package includes for the quoted price?

All the race season rebuilds, testing mileage to a limit, a spare engine with the team (absolute essential one would think)?

There was some mention that this engine will be exclusive to Ginetta? Wonderful idea for Ginetta, but not so wonderful for Meccachrome if they don't sell any cars. I can see that becoming non exclusive very quickly then

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by ModelT

I am also curious as to what this engine package includes for the quoted price?

All the race season rebuilds, testing mileage to a limit, a spare engine with the team (absolute essential one would think)?

There was some mention that this engine will be exclusive to Ginetta? Wonderful idea for Ginetta, but not so wonderful for Meccachrome if they don't sell any cars. I can see that becoming non exclusive very quickly then

Yeah, I asked the question about the exclusivity in the Friday press conference and they appeared rather set on this being a Ginetta-only deal.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Yeah, I asked the question about the exclusivity in the Friday press conference and they appeared rather set on this being a Ginetta-only deal.

I suppose the meccachrome business is in F2 and GP3.

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by canaglia

does anybody know the price of the gibson leasing and if oreca/oak/dallara/riley new lmp2 chassis have a cost cap?

The LMP2 chassis cost cap is €483000.

http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/...rent-classes/4

And the Gibson costs €1250 per hour to run, whatever that means.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/124807

[carbsmith]

For the old regulations you can outright buy the engines for €86778 and have them rebuilt for €40500, but practically speaking everyone was leasing them anyways which is €1402/hour.

[TF110]

DSC getting early access to the windtunnel/cfd model. A new render is shown too.

[hondafan37]

New Pics Of Ginetta LMP1 In Williams Wind Tunnel.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...nd-tunnel.html

[TF110]

looks good. A big diffuser, much bigger than the hybrid cars.

[Japanese Samurai]

https://twitter.com/dailysportscar/s...6203157303300/
This rear end looks like an early concept of Dome S103 which has an air tunnel.

[deggis]

Model in the wind tunnel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XASVoOcrJ5M

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...l-testing.html

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...r-ginetta.html

“We then have to find out how much fuel flow we’ll get but with already 100 hp more than an LMP2 and with more advanced aero in a car that is 100 kg lighter we know that it is going to be rather faster than 3:25 at Le Mans!

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“At the moment we have more serious interest than we will have cars available. The plan is for 10 chassis: A development car, we hope three teams of two race cars each and a spare tub for each of those teams.

[canaglia]

CLM nismo engine should push not less than 650hp, considering that it was able to hit 3:24 without any real aero development; guess that with the same power and a much better developed aero (+ michelin tyres pheraps) 3:22 shouldn't be an issues.

Considering also that next year, very likely lmp2 will be able to set 3:24 at least.

Let's see if this ginetta lmp1 will be in grid for real next season

[Akrapovic]

I thought Sam Collins said the CLM Nismo engine was at 600hp due to the fuel flow, but capable of 700.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I thought Sam Collins said the CLM Nismo engine was at 600hp due to the fuel flow, but capable of 700.

being a V6 twin turbo, it could push up to 1000hp with an insane turbo pressure boost.
Anyway, CLM aero development is quite poor, so I guess it produces a lot of drag and a laughable downforce. Anyway the car managed to hit 340km/h at le mans and was the highest top speed car at spa too.
Considering that the car should have >100kg/h fuel flows, the real power output could be really over 600hp. Won't be surprised if has >750Nm as torque peak, being nismo gt-r engine revlimit set to 6500rpm if 2015 memory help me.

BTW, over 700Nm, >600hp @6500rpm... these remind me the DBR9 V12 figures....

[PorscheFanNo1]

Originally Posted by canaglia

BTW, over 700Nm, >600hp @6500rpm... these remind me the DBR9 V12 figures....

I miss those V12's...

[TF110]

Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

I miss those V12's...

And their sound! Never saw one live, but even on the TV they sounded great. I wonder if anyone besides Kolles will ask for the Nismo engine.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by TF110

And their sound! Never saw one live, but even on the TV they sounded great. I wonder if anyone besides Kolles will ask for the Nismo engine.

Actually nismo engine is a cosworth unit, would be nice if nissan would let cosworth to propose it to some other team too

[Graham Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I thought Sam Collins said the CLM Nismo engine was at 600hp due to the fuel flow, but capable of 700.

Its at c.630 but capable (easily) of 700

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Its at c.630 but capable (easily) of 700

When not failing gaskets :P

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Its at c.630 but capable (easily) of 700

That was it. Seems like a no brainer (from a fan point of view) to give it a bit more fuel to bring it up to around 700.

[TF110]

Posted in lmp1 privatter thread before I remembered this one...
Ginetta has confirmed orders for 3 chassis! 2-car team with one as a spare! Great news! And it seems they expect more as well.