Liberty, is the penny dropping?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I know. It’s all very to have that sort of entertainment alongside the event to add to it, but it shouldn’t be a priority. Quite frankly Liberty need to stop and take a breath and realise that the bubble will burst if it’s not careful. They are going far away from what the fans want. Also having over 20 races is ludicrous. F1 doesn’t add by having more GPs, but by having GPs where there’s local interest, rather than where the money

That is the traditional European view and dare I say it also the British view because the management was Euro/British centric. That has swung totally to the US view of entertainment always comes first and the sport side a long last and Liberty saw the potential of moving to entertainment and attracting a vast new audience. I bet they are not worried at all by losing the traditional rusted on fans whose demographic is of an older era, they want to shift that to new long term younger fans who are digital users.

[chillibowl]

Going to a race is expensive so im totally ok with value added options that provide more value and entertainment for those who show up live. My experience of US sporting events are the fan experience aspects to major events with the more enjoyable ones geared towards providing family experiences.

While the parties are great for the corporate mob, long term development involves giving people reasons to bring their kids out imo….so not sure which direction liberty will go, parties or families but I suspect it will be luxury boxes and corporate hospitality as they (I believe) keep that money.

Also don’t know how special any of it is when they they have so many races though? The Super bowl is great but that’s because it’s a once a year thing. You have one every weekend and people will lose interest.

17 races a year with a rotating calendar would be more my liking.

[midgetman]

That's if the younger fans stay with the sport.

TBH at Spa and Abu Dhabi last year Liberty proved they don't really need to run a race as we know it. TV ratings were high, Netflix figures through the roof, social media still buzzing today. No need for the inconvenience of racing cars when there are TV stars to be made!

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[Woolley]

Most of the reported entertainment is of the variety that would put me off going to the race, if it wasn't for the fact F1 has already done that. Make the racing better and less predictable, that's all I need.

[Alan52]

Melbourne extended to 2035.
F2 and F3 will have rounds there starting next year.
Guarantee of at least 5 first rounds during the contract with 2024 and2025 being the first of those.
Who hoo!

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Melbourne extended to 2035.
F2 and F3 will have rounds there starting next year.
Guarantee of at least 5 first rounds during the contract with 2024 and2025 being the first of those.
Who hoo!

Noice!!

Good on all concerned, some very positive news - like the F2 & F3 - that's quite a big deal to bring them all the way down here.

[peebee2]

F2/F3 utterly moronic and going to cause so many problems. Powers that be unlikely to give a shiny though.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

F2/F3 utterly moronic and going to cause so many problems. Powers that be unlikely to give a shiny though.

Why is it moronic?

[peebee2]

Team travel, logistics, budget you name it. It’s hard enough to find and keep staff as it is.

[S griffin]

I'm glad Oz will stay on the calendar for some time. After being off the calendar for two years, there were some doubting if it would ever come back, but now not only is it back, but it's place is secure too. However I'm not sure about putting F2 and F3 on the support bill

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Team travel, logistics, budget you name it. It’s hard enough to find and keep staff as it is.

I would be pretty sure the costs have been taken care of.The teams will come straight from the Middle East so will be halfway here already.
These series have been largely Euro based but this is going to become harder.The only Euro F1 GP’s next year will be Italyx2,Spain,Great Britain,Netherlands,Hungary,Austria and one of Monaco or Belgium.With only 8 of 24 races in Europe there will have to be F2/3 races outside Europe,

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Alan52

I would be pretty sure the costs have been taken care of.The teams will come straight from the Middle East so will be halfway here already.
These series have been largely Euro based but this is going to become harder.The only Euro F1 GP’s next year will be Italyx2,Spain,Great Britain,Netherlands,Hungary,Austria and one of Monaco or Belgium.With only 8 of 24 races in Europe there will have to be F2/3 races outside Europe,

SOME of the costs will have been covered. Staffing is a nightmare in these series due to the massive gaps etc.

Thanks for pointing out there are more than enough Euro races for the whole F3 championship though.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Melbourne extended to 2035.

thats the take away for me. nice to have more support races for those that attend in person, always a nice value added. a bit curious to see if it provides a draw or a distraction to those who preferred the supercars series there.

regardless though, awesome that Malborne has kept the race and hopefully the economic impact of the race helps that community...although i cant imagine what the year 2035 sanctioning fee will be like!

did Oz get a good deal before double digit inflation gets hardwired into every contract or did Liberty set the bar even higher for whatthe so called 'traditional' circuits will be expected to have to pay if they want to stay in the show for the next decade to come?

also fun to imagine what the cars will be like in 2035!

where we're going we dont need roads!

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

thats the take away for me. nice to have more support races for those that attend in person, always a nice value added. a bit curious to see if it provides a draw or a distraction to those who preferred the supercars series there.

regardless though, awesome that Malborne has kept the race and hopefully the economic impact of the race helps that community...although i cant imagine what the year 2035 sanctioning fee will be like!

did Oz get a good deal before double digit inflation gets hardwired into every contract or did Liberty set the bar even higher for whatthe so called 'traditional' circuits will be expected to have to pay if they want to stay in the show for the next decade to come?

also fun to imagine what the cars will be like in 2035!

where we're going we dont need roads!

Supercars will still be on the program.They are contracted for the next 3 years and issued a press release yesterday saying they are in negotiations to extend this.
If the race is held out of daylight saving they can schedule 3 support classes.In daylight saving 4 classes.

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by peebee2

F2/F3 utterly moronic and going to cause so many problems. Powers that be unlikely to give a shiny though.

How predictably insular

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Thanks for pointing out there are more than enough Euro races for the whole F3 championship though.

What Skam85 said in the post above.

[peebee2]

No not really. I just know what a nightmare for teams it will be. And pushes budgets still higher.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peebee2

No not really. I just know what a nightmare for teams it will be. And pushes budgets still higher.

Depends on the deal that's been done to some extent - if freight & travel costs are covered by Liberty / promoter it may not impact budget so much and does provide sponsor exposure in an additional market. As an example, when Supercars do offshore races, freight & personnel travel / accom are paid for and not a team cost.

Totally understand that it's a big change for the teams, heading further afield but they're already doing "flyaways" so do at least know how to handle the logistics.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Depends on the deal that's been done to some extent - if freight & travel costs are covered by Liberty / promoter it may not impact budget so much and does provide sponsor exposure in an additional market. As an example, when Supercars do offshore races, freight & personnel travel / accom are paid for and not a team cost.

Totally understand that it's a big change for the teams, heading further afield but they're already doing "flyaways" so do at least know how to handle the logistics.

Good post.

Core travel and freight costs will be covered. It’s always the ‘little’ extras that add up massively though.

[S griffin]

I'm glad to see that the Supercars will continue to support the GP

[peebee2]

Supercars was always continuing for now as they have 3 years left in existing contract.

As expected a lot of unhappiness in F2/F3 world right now with this new thing for them.