[Official] British Grand Prix 2017: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[Lancsbreaker]

Mega last lap from Hamilton........going to be a brave steward who gives Lewis a penalty for inhibiting Grosjean.....unless maybe they give him a half-second penalty......

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Mega last lap from Hamilton........going to be a brave steward who gives Lewis a penalty for inhibiting Grosjean.....unless maybe they give him a half-second penalty......

That was an incredible last lap, exciting stuff and probably more exciting than tomorrow's race. However Ferrari snuck in there with 2nd and 3rd, denying Mercedes the front row shut out.

I really hope Hamilton doesn't lose pole for inhibiting Grosjean. Personally, I didn't think he did and it would sour things.

Otherwise, what a great interview from Jenson Button.

[gert]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

going to be a brave steward who gives Lewis a penalty for inhibiting Grosjean.....unless maybe they give him a half-second penalty......

Why?

If that was worthy of a penalty, then they should give a penalty. If not, then not.
The fact that the driver is Hamilton, and the GP is in England should have no influence at all.
It should be the same as if the driver was Kvyat and the place was Budapest.

[F1Guy]

God damn it!!

Who the hell let Max's mechanic's work on Daniels' car?? Gearbox AND engine failure!

[Mike Bell]

JB made the C4 coverage for me. And 150mph plus laps....

How long before we know if 'the incident' will result in a penalty or not?

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by gert

The fact that the driver is Hamilton, and the GP is in England should have no influence at all.

Exactly. Just like Vettel being in the championship hunt shouldn't have had an influence in the decision made at Baku.. AND in Paris.

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

JB made the C4 coverage for me. And 150mph plus laps....

How long before we know if 'the incident' will result in a penalty or not?

Its sorted, Mike - Eddie Jordan has ruled on it

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Its sorted, Mike - Eddie Jordan has ruled on it

Of course, forgot EJ ruled on it in front of camera.....

[F1Guy]

No further action re the Hamilton and GrowJohn incident.

And so....

With a stunning time of +0.547sec quicker than his nearest rival, Hamilton equals Jim Clark’s record of 5 British GP pole positions, and also just one pole away from the all time pole position record of 68 poles held by M. Schumacher.

Perhaps the other drivers should have skipped the F1 Live event too??

[S griffin]

That's good that he hasn't got a penalty, he couldn't have got out of the way without ruining his fast lap, so there was nothing he could do. That lap was the stuff of legends

And I agree, Jenson is a welcome addition to C4

[ASCII Man]

Both Hamilton and Perez should've been penalized for impeding. It's such a joke now.

[BSchneiderFan]

Right decision possibly made for the wrong reason. So common in life. That he is second in the championship should have no bearing on his guilt or innocence. I have to say, I didn't see that Grosjean was badly held up, but anyway, the stewards have access to way more information than we do, so I'm happy to let their decision stand.

[ASCII Man]

Switch the names and you can be certain the result would have been very different. "Now, Grosjean is tripping over somebody!" quickly changed when the broadcasters realized it was Hamilton that was in the way. That is both sad and pathetic. But I guess pointing this out on a British forum with primarily British users is a tremendously pointless waste of time and effort.

[stripedcat]

One more pole - and he equals Schumi's total. Funnily enough, I did foresee him every doing that. I always thought that Vettel would beat him to that, and beat Senna's record as well.

[RWill2073]

Originally Posted by stripedcat

One more pole - and he equals Schumi's total. Funnily enough, I did foresee him every doing that. I always thought that Vettel would beat him to that, and beat Senna's record as well.

On that note, what does everyone consider a better indicator when judging greatness? A driver with more poles than wins or more wins than poles?

More poles means he's likely the fastest driver, but may makenmore mistakes or have bad luck with car issues or lack in racecraft.

More wins means he's likely not the fastest, could have the best team and strategists, more steady than impressive, but may have better racecraft.

[RWill2073]

I do wonder if the roles were reversed if grosjean would get a penalty for possibly slowing Hamilton. Just like if it was someone besides vettel, or more specifically, someone not in title contention, would have gotten a bigger penalty at Baku. I think it's fair to say that the title race is beinf considered in some of these decisions. And I honestly dont know if it's such a bad thing. I'd rather it be settled on track with a little controversy than by the stewards with a little controversy.

[gert]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

I do wonder if the roles were reversed if grosjean would get a penalty for possibly slowing Hamilton. Just like if it was someone besides vettel, or more specifically, someone not in title contention, would have gotten a bigger penalty at Baku. I think it's fair to say that the title race is beinf considered in some of these decisions. And I honestly dont know if it's such a bad thing

I respect your opinion, but I disagree on that.

If [random driver 1] does exactly this on [random driver 2], then IMO the judgement should be exactly the same
* if it was [random driver 1]'s home track
* if it was [random driver 2]'s home track
* it it was both drivers' home track
* if it was neither driver's home track
* if [random driver 1] was in the championship fight and the other wasn't
* if [random driver 2] was in the championship fight and the other wasn't
* if both were in the championship fight and the other wasn't
* if none were in the championship fight and the other wasn't

I think an action should be judged regardless of nationality and regardless of championship position.
An action is either right or wrong.

Hamilton doing it, or Ericsson (just picking a random name) doing it should get the same treatment.

But that's just my opinion.

[Mike Bell]

This is F1 we're talking about. It's 'all about the show'........

[F1Guy]

To quote Toto Wolff: "There are some that moan all the time. They just continue moaning."

He further added: "If Romain Grosjean comes out and starts asking for penalties for other drivers, you should rather look at his track record. He should be happy he is driving in F1."

Well said Mr Wolff.

[Articus]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

To quote Toto Wolff: "There are some that moan all the time. They just continue moaning."

He further added: "If Romain Grosjean comes out and starts asking for penalties for other drivers, you should rather look at his track record. He should be happy he is driving in F1."

Well said Mr Wolff.

Ziiinnnnggg!!!!

some people seem to have such short memories...

[ASCII Man]

That was such a pathetic thing for Wolff to say, this entire affair is basically a big team bullying a smaller team because the stewards would never do anything to jeopardize the championship fight so they know they can get away with it, and they did. It's pathetic, and above all, sad.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Articus

Ziiinnnnggg!!!!

some people seem to have such short memories...

Bazinga!

[wnut]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Switch the names and you can be certain the result would have been very different. "Now, Grosjean is tripping over somebody!" quickly changed when the broadcasters realized it was Hamilton that was in the way. That is both sad and pathetic. But I guess pointing this out on a British forum with primarily British users is a tremendously pointless waste of time and effort.

The stewards ruling:

"The Stewards examined video and telemetry evidence and concluded that while GRO may potentially have been affected by the presence of HAM at Turn 16, he was not impeded."

The reasoning seems to be that he affected RoGro without impeding him, so he clearly helped Grosjean, GRO is a very lucky boy he is not being penalized for receiving outside assistance from HAM!


I think "beyond belief" would cover it nicely.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Switch the names and you can be certain the result would have been very different. "Now, Grosjean is tripping over somebody!" quickly changed when the broadcasters realized it was Hamilton that was in the way. That is both sad and pathetic. But I guess pointing this out on a British forum with primarily British users is a tremendously pointless waste of time and effort.

Not entirely. , believe me.

[bauble]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

On that note, what does everyone consider a better indicator when judging greatness? A driver with more poles than wins or more wins than poles?

More poles means he's likely the fastest driver, but may makenmore mistakes or have bad luck with car issues or lack in racecraft.

More wins means he's likely not the fastest, could have the best team and strategists, more steady than impressive, but may have better racecraft.

Most records are easy when you have the best car.

Fangio, drove in less World Championship races than any modern driver, because there were far fewer in the '50's, but he won 50% of them.
When will THAT record be beaten?