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Perhaps, but it has been suggested that the Ford dealer network has been told again recently that marketing support dollars are scarce to non existent at a 'Falcon' model level... for 2013 and beyond... so even if the FPR squad actually do something amazing and win something significant, the customer will never find out about it
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Long overdue, Ford prefer to engineer a car for racing on a global scale, not build them for a local series (V8 supercars).........I've tried to tell people before that the category has the wrong attitude to parity and is holden biased. How long did they expect Ford to keep tipping in millions without results? Ford also need to say (as Mazda said) that the Falcon body shape is not to be used in the category.
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Won no silverware for the past two seasons, 2013 Championship is probably already in the holden bag. Can Ford fluke a Bathurst victory, or will it be three years straight with nothing? (most likely) Holden to win everything for the foreseeable future?........most likely. Not hard to tell why Ford are getting out..........the only smart move they've made! |
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There is nothing stopping FPR from running Fords for another 20 years... but they need to step up their commercial partner search and get a 'Red Bull-esque' backer willing to stump up full tote odds for the signage space... and/or put up their customer pricing
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But what is in it for Ford? Allowing the Falcon body shape to be used for twenty years and be forever defeated by holden. What's the point?
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It's irritating when people adjudicate motorsport as good or bad depending on whether their side is winning or not - and it happens in the Supercars far too often. That said, leaving the V8SC's would make sense for Ford - given their lack of results and their seeming lack of interest. But it would still be a massive shame, and you can guarantee that the heads behind the category would be devastated to lose them and a subsequently large segment of their audience. |
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all the hand wringing & blaming the "evil red empire" -in what ever incarnation it be- T8 or HRT or the next Holden team that makes henry his beatch how about assigning some of the blame to the frod teams who consistantly stuff it up.Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory its called. frod pulled out before and life went on- GASP. There were even frods still racing without 'factory support' Didn't frod's Geoff Polites threaten to withdraw from ATCC/V8SC at one point? Just another empty threat from Broadmeadows/Geelong/Dearborn |
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Oh, but apparently Ford are coming back to the WTCC. Not sure why though.
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At this stage in his life, would GR be up for the extra work load instead of enjoying the fishing boat and golf course ?
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FOrd gone, AA are slow, Ford Aust has been done for some years, even as a Fordie, this has becoming for long time, Models dropped, imports replacing the line up, Aust is no longer viable to manufacture in, small consumer base, ( Aust 22 mil ppl) do some simple maths, of the 22 mil, how many are at school, how many retired, how many buy imports , how many actually work to keep the country afloat.
Go back in time , most young blokes, built up EH's HR's, XY's etc, todya most young blokes want a new computerto to go into their imported 4cyl . Ford missed the demographic changes in population, tried to pick up with the territory, know that looks likely to replaced by a Kuga, the Falc to be replaced by Mondeo/Fusion, said to say but its going to happen, Thailand is cheaper to build and so is Indonesia. The gurus at Broady have missed an oopurtunity to push for the Falcon to be exported to the states under the free trade agreement , instead they keep pushing to build here, sell here, where as GMH have been building and exporting for years, All Braody will become is a holding yard for imports and rebadging. |
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No, trying to blame the series or parity for Ford perhaps walking away is a cop-out - any lack of results can be laid firmly at Ford's door and the teams running their cars but as I said before, the rumoured potential for Ford to walk away probably has more to do with their performance in retail sales right now. Quite why people choose to not buy Falcon is a bit of a mystery as they're a damn good car but nevertheless, people aren't buying them in the numbers they once did. |
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The post I quoted follows on from your previous ones blaming parity and the series for Ford wanting to walk away. If you had moved on, fair enough. My point stands though - IF Ford DO walk away, it'll be more about what's happening with road car sales and the way they've run their racing activities than any alleged mistreatment from V8SC and the rule structure.
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Don't know who IVESCO is (but think you're referring to V8SC) and I've got to say that they are doing everything they can for the series to be of interest to all manufacturers, by keeping a level playing field and "opportunity to win" - parity in other words. If the series made the mistake of pampering to a manufacturer every time one of them had a sulk and threatened to leave, we'd be back to the bad old days of Group C and CAMS falling for the threats every time - granting freedoms on an ad hoc basis and in general making a mess of it. |
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Good old Bluesport up to his usual habit of calling someone pro Holden if they disagree with him
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