[Official] Canadian Grand Prix 2018: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[cds_uk]

Originally Posted by Dixon9

Well at least Hartley ruined the pay drivers day and left Red Bull with a repair bill before they bin him.

The commentators were pretty keen to pin it on him. Racing incident imo. Always a risk being out wide and got left no room.

Was listening in the car and the 5Live boys were leaning towards Stroll being at fault.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by gert

You stupid woman!

Note to the FIA: please keep those "celebrities" as far away from the officials as possible. It's bad enough we have to see them in close-up every 5 laps or so.

As for who that stupid cow was: I have no idea, but someone must have thought she was important.

It was Winnie Harlow.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

It was Winnie Harlow.

Never heard of her. Why the hell do they allow wannabees / celebs to perform important functions at GPs? At least it brought what had become a dreary race to an end a lap early.

[skycafe]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Someone had enough of a boring race?....

I always found Canada to be an entertaining race because there is a real sense of speed. This race was indeed sort of boring, I kinda wanted some rain or some Canadian Hoser* to hose a corner or two to liven it up.

*apologies. My ancestors came to the US after a stop in Canada.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by E.B

Never heard of her. Why the hell do they allow wannabees / celebs to perform important functions at GPs? At least it brought what had become a dreary race to an end a lap early.

Never heard of her either. The race went its full distance.

[paddy]

I'd just like to congratulate everyone involved in turning Formula One into the boring farce it has become.
Cars that can't race and so called celebs waving chequered flags. What a waste of two hours.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Never heard of her either. The race went its full distance.

Yes it did but the race result was then officially based on positions at the end of lap 68. The flag was waved before Vettel started his last lap. Max crossed the line at the end of the 70th lap 0.1 secs behind Bottas yet the official results show the gap at a second.

From F1.com

POS NO DRIVER CAR LAPS TIME PTS
1 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 68 1:28:31.377 25
2 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 68 +7.376s 18
3 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 68 +8.360s 15

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by E.B

Yes it did but the race result was then officially based on positions at the end of lap 68. The flag was waved before Vettel started his last lap. Max crossed the line at the end of the 70th lap 0.1 secs behind Bottas yet the official results show the gap at a second.

From F1.com

POS NO DRIVER CAR LAPS TIME PTS
1 5 Sebastian Vettel FERRARI 68 1:28:31.377 25
2 77 Valtteri Bottas MERCEDES 68 +7.376s 18
3 33 Max Verstappen RED BULL RACING TAG HEUER 68 +8.360s 15

So all the race officials allowed that to stand? That's farcical. If Max crossed the line at the end of the 70th lap 0.1 secs behind Bottas, then the result should be adjusted accordingly.

[Taxi645]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

So all the race officials allowed that to stand? That's farcical. If Max crossed the line at the end of the 70th lap 0.1 secs behind Bottas, then the result should be adjusted accordingly.

Imagine the **** hitting the fan if he'd finished 0.1s in front...

[gert]

It is somewhere in the rules:

* if the flag is waved too early the results stands as they were at the moment the flag is shown
* if the flag is late, the results stand at the original shceduled distance, i.e. when the flag should have been shown.


Perez passed Magnussen on the (scheduled) last lap for 13th, but is classified 14th as if that pass didn't happen.

Ricciardo set fastest lapof the race on the very last lap, but also that is now declared null and void.

[Mike Harte]

Similar to when a red flag is used to end a race; the final positions are determined from the lap prior to the red flag.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by gert

It is somewhere in the rules:

* if the flag is waved too early the results stands as they were at the moment the flag is shown
* if the flag is late, the results stand at the original shceduled distance, i.e. when the flag should have been shown.


Perez passed Magnussen on the (scheduled) last lap for 13th, but is classified 14th as if that pass didn't happen.

Ricciardo set fastest lapof the race on the very last lap, but also that is now declared null and void.

It's time they sorted the rules out.

[gert]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

It's time they sorted the rules out.

It's not a simple as that.
Imagine someone slowed down because he got the flag and loses several positions as a consequence. After all it's an error by the officials, not by the team or driver.


The easiest thing to avoid such circumstances is not to allow some nitwit to handle the flag. Still not bulletproof (it has happened before, IIRC) but it goes a long way.

[fieldodreams79]

Someone had to have told the nitwit to wave the flag or didn't pay close enough attention to her. No sense in blaming her. Blame the people that thought this was a good idea to begin with and then didn't keep proper tabs someone who has no business being the flag stand.

Was about the only intriguing aspect of the race aside the circuit. What a lovely setting for a motor race! Oh, and from an American standpoint, "Oh Canada" is a lovely song and what a lovely rendition of it today!

Lovely!!!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by gert

It's not a simple as that.
Imagine someone slowed down because he got the flag and loses several positions as a consequence. After all it's an error by the officials, not by the team or driver.

The easiest thing to avoid such circumstances is not to allow some nitwit to handle the flag. Still not bulletproof (it has happened before, IIRC) but it goes a long way.

That's the scenario I was thinking of.

A race official must have handed the flag, so I don't actually blame Winnie Harlow. The race official can't have been paying attention to the lap count

I think there is a solution and that's wave a flag to signify the penultimate lap, like they do in IndyCar.

[Armco Bender]

Chequered flag thing goes back to the 1975 Austrian GP when they used the chequered instead of the red flag to stop the race.Because they used the chequered they had to declare it race end and Brambilla won his only GP.
Been sitting on that trivia for 43years...

[F1Guy]

The "stupid woman" was given the flag too early and was asked to wave it by an FiA official. It was not the "stupid cow" who messed it up. The "nitwit" was just doing what she was asked to do. The FiA have said they made the mistake and have taken full responsibility for the early flag.

Charlie Whiting: "The chequered flag was shown a lap early because there was a miscommunication between the start platform and the guy that they call the starter, the guy that starts and finishes the races.

"He thought it was the last lap, he asked race control to confirm it and they confirmed it.

"They thought he was making a statement when in fact he was asking a question and he just showed it a lap early, it's as simple as that. In fact, he told the flag waver to wave it a lap early, so it wasn't anything to do with the fact it was a celebrity flag waver.

"We always do our best, but there's a lot of human beings - different countries, different languages, so it's not always absolutely perfect. We always strive for perfection but there was no real harm done insofar as it didn't impact the outcome of the race."



But don't let facts get in the way of your intolerance now will you.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

The "stupid woman" was given the flag too early and was asked to wave it by an FiA official. It was not the "stupid cow" who messed it up. The "nitwit" was just doing what she was asked to do. The FiA have said they made the mistake and have taken full responsibility for the early flag.

Charlie Whiting: "The chequered flag was shown a lap early because there was a miscommunication between the start platform and the guy that they call the starter, the guy that starts and finishes the races.

"He thought it was the last lap, he asked race control to confirm it and they confirmed it.

"They thought he was making a statement when in fact he was asking a question and he just showed it a lap early, it's as simple as that. In fact, he told the flag waver to wave it a lap early, so it wasn't anything to do with the fact it was a celebrity flag waver.

"We always do our best, but there's a lot of human beings - different countries, different languages, so it's not always absolutely perfect. We always strive for perfection but there was no real harm done insofar as it didn't impact the outcome of the race."



But don't let facts get in the way of your intolerance now will you.

How on Earth could race control confirm it was the last lap, when it wasn't? It's not as if lap timing and scoring is done by someone with a clip board and a stop watch anymore.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Chequered flag thing goes back to the 1975 Austrian GP when they used the chequered instead of the red flag to stop the race.Because they used the chequered they had to declare it race end and Brambilla won his only GP.
Been sitting on that trivia for 43years...

What a great piece of trivia.

[Razzzor]

Canada with a massive straight and 2 DRS zones and they still can't even get close to one another. These cars are rubbish.


I wonder if we'll get the same at Monza where the cars can't get within 1 sec of the car ahead. It'll be the most boring Italian GP ever. Bottas creeping on Vettel throughout kept it slightly interesting, but otherwise boring race.


Good to see Ferrari kicking Merc butt at a Merc track! Bodes well for the rest of the year.


Honda's big upgrade was pretty weak. Gasly couldn't keep up with Leclerc in the Sauber. Hartley trying his hardest to get fired. 90% Stroll's fault, but wtf were you doing out there Hartley that's not a passing spot!

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

Canada with a massive straight and 2 DRS zones and they still can't even get close to one another. These cars are rubbish.


I wonder if we'll get the same at Monza where the cars can't get within 1 sec of the car ahead. It'll be the most boring Italian GP ever. Bottas creeping on Vettel throughout kept it slightly interesting, but otherwise boring race.


Good to see Ferrari kicking Merc butt at a Merc track! Bodes well for the rest of the year.


Honda's big upgrade was pretty weak. Gasly couldn't keep up with Leclerc in the Sauber. Hartley trying his hardest to get fired. 90% Stroll's fault, but wtf were you doing out there Hartley that's not a passing spot!

In his post race interview on Channel 4 Lewis made a similar comment, but he referred to the cars as crap! which he found amusing...

[Razzzor]

wrong thread

[GregUK]

Perhaps if the 'celeb' (an acquaintance of Lewis Hamilton) hadn't have been on the flag post, the official on duty there may not have lost count of the completed laps.

And, TV producers, can be please see less of the garage hangers-on when there is critical track action taking place.

This addition to celebrity is getting out of control.

[F1Guy]

I don't think it was all aero for the lack of overtaking in Canada. Being one of the fastest tracks, everyone was in fuel saving mode, and also tyre saving mode. So blaming the aero is not the complete answer.

If the teams had more fuel, and the rules mandated two tyre changes per race (instead of the current one change), I think we would have seen a completely different race. More fuel for more power, and two compulsory tyre changes would mean the drivers can push the tyres 100% and not have to save them. The fact that the drivers almost always can easily push for the fastest lap on the final lap annoys me to no end. It just shows what was possible all along if they didn't have to save fuel and tyres.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by E.B

What a great piece of trivia.

It would be, if it were true; however, that may be a Southern Hemisphere myth.


There is photographic proof that a chequered flag was used in a motor race in the States in 1906, but it is thought that it was possibly used first in horse racing. It was certainly in common use in the UK in the 1960s across all levels of motor sport, whilst the red flag back then was only used when the race had to be stopped prematurely because of an incident.