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Old 4 Feb 2022, 13:41 (Ref:4097369)   #26
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It doesnt look as awful as that FIA mock up, so thats good news.
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Old 4 Feb 2022, 13:41 (Ref:4097370)   #27
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Livery is clearly a slight rework of last year. Which was not bad.

As to the 2022 car. I am reading elsewhere that this is just a rendering and it said to be somewhere between the FIA model and whatever the Haas will eventually look like. So while the final car will probably not look radically different than this, don't mistake this for the final car. Apparently it has a number of discrepancies such as no DRS actuation and I have seen comments that the front wing endplates may not be legal.

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Old 4 Feb 2022, 13:59 (Ref:4097374)   #28
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The livery looks like something from an old Macleans toothpaste livery and the curves make it looks like a toothpaste bottle too.

Still nice to finally see what one car looks like under the new rules
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Old 4 Feb 2022, 15:43 (Ref:4097396)   #29
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lol.

it looks less glossy/shiny which i like.

sidepods are huge but nicely sculpted back. my first impression is that i like the shape.
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Haas has announced that they will be skipping any major updates to this year's livery and instead will be focusing on next year.
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Old 4 Feb 2022, 18:17 (Ref:4097413)   #31
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The livery looks like something from an old Macleans toothpaste livery and the curves make it looks like a toothpaste bottle too.

Still nice to finally see what one car looks like under the new rules
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Old 5 Feb 2022, 00:51 (Ref:4097443)   #32
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Most teams only mildly update their livery year to year unless a major sponsorship change
Look at redbull
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lol.

it looks less glossy/shiny which i like.

sidepods are huge but nicely sculpted back. my first impression is that i like the shape.
The sidepod shape will be driven by the new for 2022 aero floor
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Old 9 Feb 2022, 16:41 (Ref:4097955)   #34
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Most teams only mildly update their livery year to year unless a major sponsorship change
Look at redbull

Red Bull reveal new car and title sponsor.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...X4uN6i8mbKgVUw
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Old 9 Feb 2022, 17:00 (Ref:4097960)   #35
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Old 9 Feb 2022, 17:04 (Ref:4097961)   #36
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have gotten pretty used to their livery but i still like it so no issue there for me.

the front nose (if thats its final version) is massively improved look wise imo.

hopefully it is and also an indicator of the trend...front of these cars looks more like what i think an open wheel car should look like.
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this deal with Oracle also sounds substantial.

new era (well expanding battlefield at least) of F1 data simulation, AI, and machine learning?

curious how this will work under the budget cap because presumably F1 cant tell Oracle how much or little they can spend on RB?

plus Newey like boats!

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Yes, they do look like Indycars, they have venturis too, especially the Panoz/Lola era Champcars. Red Bull Racing 'unveiled' the second FOM show car with a paint job on it.


I don't think they look anything like the Lola or Panoz Champ Cars.


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On seeing the RB the first thing that struck me was how small the sidepod intakes are on the Haas by comparison. Of course as the Haas was a livery launch they may not have been representative of the Haas we see on track.
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It pretty much is the FIA example car. The fake Haas is probably more like the real 2022 car than what RB showed today. This was a PR event to showcase the Oracle sponsorship.

I think people were maybe expecting something different than the Haas launch. But it may very well be the template for all of the cars until we see the real deals at the first test.

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I would say that Haas did their launch better because they promised livery and showed livery on a 2022 rendering that was not exactly like the FIA car. So Haas over delivered slightly by the unexpected 2022 car. RBR said it was the reveal of the 2022 car and instead showed effectively a FIA show car with their livery. So RBR under delivered.

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I don't think they look anything like the Lola or Panoz Champ Cars.
Fair enough. IMO the long venturi tunnels (and therefore long sidepods) are extremely similar. Long sidepods with a high venturi inlet with strakes is inherent to a car with venturi tunnels on it. Obviously the F1 car uses a high-mounted air intake but that is not essential.

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From the RB launch:

The new car was launched in what Horner admitted was a form that did not reveal all its technical secrets.

"When we get to the first race, the car is not going to look very much like this," he said.
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so basically we are a couple of weeks away from testing and we have yet to see a real 2022 f1 car
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so basically we are a couple of weeks away from testing and we have yet to see a real 2022 f1 car
Pretty much what happens every year.

Look back at 2020:

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a few dates so far:

Ferrari: Feb 11th at Maranello
Renault: Feb 12th
Mclaren: Feb 13th at Woking
Mercedes: Feb 14th at Silverstone
AlphaTauri: Feb 14th at Hanger 7 in Salzburg, Germany.

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1. CGI (or mocked up older cars) at pre-testing launch. (or skip pre-testing launch)

2. Show real car at first day of testing. Probably in testing livery. Maybe show CGI of race livery.

3. Race livery and aero at first race.

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Williams 11th [Feb]
Toro Rosso 11th of February
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Mercedes will Lauch on the 13th
Red Bull are due to Launch on the 13th too,
Racing Point February 13th
McLaren will Launch on February 14th
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Very F2 style nose on the Red Bull. Be interesting to see what the other teams' will look like now
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Very F2 style nose on the Red Bull. Be interesting to see what the other teams' will look like now
Horner has already said the car shown bears little / no no resemblance to what will be racing. They have admitted it to be just a mock up. Apparently it did not even have front brakes fitted.

Respected Technical journo Craig Scarborough highlighted how much of a mock up the RB is in what he refers to as an honest technical analysis of what RB showed.

Basically it seems it was an FIA concept car dressed with the livery. Nothing more than a livery launch for Oracle.
At the end of the day teams want to keep their secrets just that until the latest moment possible. Its not a new practice and we should expect it, especially with so much new this year.



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