|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
3 Oct 2006, 08:15 (Ref:1726022) | #26 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 871
|
I think to try to do the 'driver change' on your own is pure folly...what happens if, in the heat of the moment you don't plug in one of your shoulder belts, or lose a glove, the temptation to carry on regardless will be too much.
I often go racing on my own and have never had any trouble finding someone to strap me in or do the odd adjustment. If I were you I would find someone in one of the other races or better still one of your competitors to help. Good luck! |
||
|
3 Oct 2006, 08:27 (Ref:1726035) | #27 | ||||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 11,143
|
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Tim Falce; 3 Oct 2006 at 08:38. |
||||
|
3 Oct 2006, 08:42 (Ref:1726047) | #28 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
I think a rule like that is madness i.e. to make you undo all your racing safety equipment and run around the car then as quick as you can get yourself back in and try to put everything back on in the quickest amount of time harks back to the old days of LeMans starts with drivers struggling to adjust their belts halfway down the Mulsanne. Why can't they simply take an average time and hold you there for that period. I wonder what will happen if someone gets hurt bad as a result of not buckling in properly, be intresting won't it. I personally would not be able to do it with out help and I dont use Hans.
|
||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
3 Oct 2006, 09:03 (Ref:1726080) | #29 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 11,143
|
Al, This rule cost me a class win and possible second place last year at Brands. I did my pit stop quite late in the race and found that old age had crept up and as I got out I got cramp in both legs and couldn't move for a few seconds.
I think it should be a stationary period in the car, in dtype38's case about 5 minutes Seroiusly though maybe 30seconds. |
||
|
3 Oct 2006, 09:31 (Ref:1726129) | #30 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,364
|
I don't really spot the logic of posts which suggest that solo driver changes are too dangerous to be permitted. They raise exactly the same issues as two drivers swopping over (possibly fewer as there is no question of differently sized drivers and seat adjustments etc.)
OK, you could argue that races with driver changes are too dangerous if you think that. When organisers are trying to boost opportunities for double drives (shared costs, added interest for those who actually like that sort of thing, spectator interest ditto) the only possible fair way is to get the solo driver out of the car and back in. Regards Jim |
||
__________________
Life is not safe, just choose where you want to take the risks. |
3 Oct 2006, 11:31 (Ref:1726258) | #31 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 169
|
this scenario was actually one i brought up in the hans thread !
not doing it up properly is potentially dangerous ! now as we seem to try and make it all as safe as possible, i would suggest to get some teams with all possible safety equipement to perform timed driver changes. then a sensible time which does not allow for coffe and cake, but does not put you in a dangerous rush either is the mandatory standstilll time. if you want to change drivers you can do so in a safe way, if not you stay in the car, engine switched off. time for being stationary, plus pitlane travel extra must be visible on lapchart. so not every car has to be timed. maybe even a two lap overall time including the standstill. that could be timed from inside the car. surely putting pressure on people puttinng on complicated gear is going back to old le mans days ! we should know better by now ! |
||
__________________
Specialised in Helmetpainting from Karting to F1 for 25 years ! First to paint and chrome a HANS Device for F1 ! Located just outside the Nürburgring Paddock. |
3 Oct 2006, 12:13 (Ref:1726306) | #32 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
3 Oct 2006, 12:21 (Ref:1726315) | #33 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,364
|
Yes, of course DType should have some help.
(I'd volunteer if I was not already booked elsewhere.) Jim |
||
__________________
Life is not safe, just choose where you want to take the risks. |
3 Oct 2006, 16:27 (Ref:1726549) | #34 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,479
|
Ok, good suggestion on getting help, so who would you approach? Obviously Falcemob and Uncle E are a lovely pair of blokes. I trust them completely... except when it comes to being in the same race as me. One of them would probably help me do my belts up nice and slowly to give the other one time to let all my tyres down! I guess I would have to say the same would apply to anyone else in my race. After all, this isn't a knitting circle, its motor racing!
So would you pick any muppet standing around to help you do up your safety gear properly? |
||
|
3 Oct 2006, 17:36 (Ref:1726730) | #35 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,578
|
Quote:
Failing that, if it's really going to cause you a problem, speak to the Scrutineers and Pit Marshals and get one of them to help you. |
|||
__________________
You win some, lose some, wreck some - Dale Earnhardt |
3 Oct 2006, 18:11 (Ref:1726787) | #36 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,704
|
d-type - with my safety I would prefer to have someone I trust doing it - I'm not saying randoms aint capable - just I'd rather not have to circulate wondering whether its all correct.
|
||
__________________
Chase the horizon |
3 Oct 2006, 19:40 (Ref:1726873) | #37 | |||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 11,143
|
Quote:
Last edited by Tim Falce; 3 Oct 2006 at 20:31. |
|||
|
3 Oct 2006, 19:40 (Ref:1726875) | #38 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 195
|
This probably wouldn't be a problem for you though would it Sam; you don't tighten your seatbelts up anyway (see 'how tight are you' thread)
Rosie |
||
|
3 Oct 2006, 21:48 (Ref:1726979) | #39 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,704
|
funny thing when I had the spanners do them up properly tight in the Panoz, by lap three I was leaning forward in the car... guess I pulled them with my shoulders
|
||
__________________
Chase the horizon |
3 Oct 2006, 22:01 (Ref:1726990) | #40 | |||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,479
|
'Fraid I don't know a Julius, Sheila.
Quote:
Seriously though, you'll have enough to worry about with your own driver change. If I accidentally come into the pits just before or just after you, you might not actually be in a position to help. I'd rather let you concentrate on your own race and not have me to worry about as well. |
|||
|
3 Oct 2006, 22:24 (Ref:1727001) | #41 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,578
|
[QUOTE=dtype38]'Fraid I don't know a Julius, Sheila. /QUOTE]
Are you not with Julius Thurgood and the Cloth Cap and Top Hat lads? |
||
__________________
You win some, lose some, wreck some - Dale Earnhardt |
3 Oct 2006, 22:28 (Ref:1727002) | #42 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,321
|
See Sam was cos it was the Panoz guys and not me!
I think you need to find someone, dtype! Bribe with cake or something! |
|
__________________
2018 Champion Driver - Association of Central Southern Motor Clubs Stage Rally Championship |
4 Oct 2006, 08:53 (Ref:1727302) | #43 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 871
|
I think you are mixing with the wrong type of people, this situation wouldn't arise in FF1600 but on one notable occasion I came into the pits with deranged rear suspension and my competitors pit crews got me out for the restart...I have never been short of help when needed...it may be motor racing but it is still a sport...isn't it?
|
||
|
4 Oct 2006, 11:21 (Ref:1727494) | #44 | |||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 11,143
|
[QUOTE=Sheila M]
Quote:
|
|||
|
4 Oct 2006, 18:23 (Ref:1727901) | #45 | |||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,479
|
Quote:
Sheila, nope, no hats, top or cloth variety. The folks I hang out with are more your boiler suit and oily hand brigade |
|||
|
4 Oct 2006, 18:44 (Ref:1727929) | #46 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,479
|
OK, back to the main subject... the concensus seems to be that single drivers having run round the car isn't ideal from a safety point of view. But given we have to do it I've made a few decision helped by advice so far. First, I'm gonna use my HANS device. Second, if possible I'll find some help to redo my harnesses during my stop, but I need to plan for doing it myself just in case. Also, I need to drive into the pits, stop and turn the engine off before I do anything.
So, drive in, stop, switch off... then: Pull gloves and wedge in dash board where I can see them. Pull steering wheel and hang on gear stick. Loosen shoulder straps and pop belt buckle. Lay lap straps and shoulder straps out where I can reach them. Stand on seat, hop over door, run round car. Step over door, slide down and settle into seat. Do up lap and crotch straps. Fish shoulder straps over hans device and lock into buckle and pull tight. Refit Steering wheel and put on gloves. Start engine and blat off (err I mean calmly drive) down pit lane. So where is it all going to go wrong? How many times should I practice this in the paddock and during my 30 min practice session? What sort of time would be a good time to do it all correctly? I'm doomed |
||
|
4 Oct 2006, 19:42 (Ref:1727975) | #47 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,623
|
Quote:
We have done this before and it worked. Practice at home a few times. |
|||
__________________
The older I get, the better I used to be ! |
4 Oct 2006, 19:46 (Ref:1727979) | #48 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
Is that what the velcro bits on my belts are for I wonder?
|
||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
4 Oct 2006, 19:50 (Ref:1727982) | #49 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,623
|
Could be Al, who put them there?
|
||
__________________
The older I get, the better I used to be ! |
4 Oct 2006, 19:59 (Ref:1727995) | #50 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,479
|
What an excellent idea
|
||
|
Tags |
hans |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
HANS device fitting | Redracer77 | Racing Technology | 30 | 3 Mar 2011 21:39 |
HANS Device - ebay | barryboy | Racing Technology | 34 | 11 Jul 2006 01:51 |
HANS Device | Sean McInerney | Racing Technology | 124 | 4 Jun 2005 10:03 |
HANS Device | jonathanc | Marshals Forum | 12 | 14 Dec 2003 19:12 |
HANS Device | chrisgr31 | Formula One | 46 | 29 Mar 2003 08:12 |