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Well ok, I now see how Manor had some responsibility in the incident. I’m just glad it is all sorted out for both parties sake
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it's a classic case of health and safety, and the whole point of risk assessments, either official ones or informal ones. you have to accomodate the worst case scenario and the lowest common denominator, whatever the reason for that. inexperience, lack of knowledge, lack of ability, they all boil down to the same perfect storm for an accident to happen. glad this is over, for all parties involved. sounds like her family have plans to ensure her legacy lives on, now they can focus on that happening. |
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It would seem as though my words are being taken too literally.
The vehicle that was struck was there for and on behalf of Manor racing, and the fact that there was a marquee next to it is not indicative of whether it should have been at the point that it was situated. And possibly either the marquee and truck should have been situated elsewhere, or the straight line testing was being conducted in the wrong place. |
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sorry, my mistake, looked like a standard tail lift rather than a race car sized one from the odd photo that emerged at the time. leaving it at half mast was careless though, i agree about that.
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The only skeptical thing I see is the claim a button did not work. I find the HSE report a little unclear as to what button they mean. They refer to the clutch as paddles (which is accurate), and then say "pressed this button before collision" - which button? Because directly below that it says there is a neutral button. So does the report actually refer to the neutral button failing?Not sure, but it doesn't paint Marussia in a particularly good light. I suppose you could argue that if you're given a test in an F1 car, you should be at the level of knowing how to stop the car. But then again, the tail lift should not have been in that position. So even if you try and twist it to blame it on the driver, Marussia still looks bad. What the report doesn't mention is if the car would have collided with the truck otherwise. It says that Maria thought should would miss it, but there's nothing else to back that up. If she'd have hit the rear of the truck it may have been better, or worse. And if she missed the truck, she'd be rounding a blind corner in a paddock area, at a decent speed and unable to slow down - so what was round the corner? |
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Plus: "51. The DP said she thought she would miss the lorry. However, the tail-lift had been left in a position which not only created the risk of injury, but was also protruding outwards at the level of the DPs eye (hence the injury), the DP did not see the tail-lift and thought she would miss the lorry completely. " [http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/releases/f...de-villota.pdf] Says it all really. |
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A few personal observations... * The report spans about seven seconds of time. Which is a relatively short period. * While it notes he issue with inability to operate the hand clutch at full lock, while at the end she was in full lock, I assume at the start of the quoted time period she was not. But the report does not say. * The car was apparently in second gear and the report says she tried to downshift into first, but internal protections prevented this due to torque load. Might she have tried to pull the clutch paddle and got the downshift paddle instead? * She hit the accelerator at one point. Might she have thought she had a stuck throttle and this might free it up? I don't know what these documents typically look like, but from reading this one, it comes across as inadequate, thin on details and poorly written. Plus with the quantity of telemetry they had, they list very little in the report and omit quite a bit of what I might think would be quite pertinent. Again, not sure if that is typical or not. Overall, I think the team played it fast and loose with preparation, plus she was unprepared with respect to knowing how to stop the car. You would like to think the team would have done a better job in their duties (Site safety, proper briefing for a novice to F1 driver, etc.) and you would like to think she wouldn't step in the car if she didn't feel personally prepared (report list very little in the way of preparation by her, lack of information from the team on how the controls worked, and I have to wonder about the simulator work... was the McLaren simulator it configured to act like a Marrusia? Such as the wheel controls, anti stall behavior, stopping procedure, etc. The report should mention that, but doesn't) Richard |
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You don't know if there was no attempt, only that it did not happen, which we know from the HSE report anyway.
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