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11 Oct 2000, 19:04 (Ref:42387)
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What's wrong with the Formula Saloons? There's an always-dying Commodore in it?
 At the Brands Hatch meeting Craig, Vader and myself went to there were quite a few Super Tourers on the grid. If I remember: two Mondeos, three Primeras, Vectra and Accord. The major disappointment is that there was only one Sierra... 
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11 Oct 2000, 19:08 (Ref:42388)
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Imagine all STs ever been produced in one series (not all, just two of every make...
) AlfaRomeo 156, Audi A4, Chrysler Stratus, BMW 320i, Volvo S40, Honda Accord, Ford Mondeo, Nissan Primera... I could go on for ever... ST was great endeed, to bad the costs were to high... |
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11 Oct 2000, 19:13 (Ref:42390)
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It was indeed. It's a shame that motorsport in general has become such an expensive operation in the past decade or so. We expect it in F1 paddocks around the world, but perhaps Super Touring went too far in that direction.
I can imagine it, though. Mind you, the last rounds of the ESTC featured quite a lot of manufacturers and the STCC has all sorts of cars competing; probably the most of any series at any time throughout the past five or six years... |
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11 Oct 2000, 20:05 (Ref:42406)
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STCC yes, that is the only series that I know has officially comfirmed that they will use Super Touring rules next year. The grid could be very big with so many STs avalible! I don't know if any manufacturers will compete, but Volvos driver, Janne Flash Nilsson has said he hopes to bring Volvo to the track next year aswell, but I don't know. The newest ST Volvo is from 1999... But can Audi win with a 1996 car, why cant Volvo?
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11 Oct 2000, 20:31 (Ref:42420)
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They just need Jim and Rickard. The only time anyone would see the front of the S40 in their mirrors would be when they're being lapped!
Do we have an unofficial 2001 entry list for the STCC? Or, what was the final car count for the season of 2000? Volvo, Audi, Nissan, Ford, Chrysler... Snap out of it! |
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12 Oct 2000, 16:34 (Ref:42597)
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No, still no 2001 entry list... Don't know at all what makes and drivers that will drive there, yet...
This year was very nice endeed, the makes were Audi, Volvo, Honda, Ford, AlfaRomeo, Chrysler, Nissan, BMW, Opel... I think I've got them all. I don't think we'll get that many manufacturers next year, but you'll never know
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13 Oct 2000, 01:18 (Ref:42675)
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Though the STCC was largely a privateer or semi-Works series at best, I think it best demonstrated the best of what Supertouring was and is all about--lots of manufacturers and close racing. I counted like 8 different automakers? Wow!!!
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14 Oct 2000, 09:32 (Ref:42850)
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Well, not all of them are works, but almost all.
Volvo - Works Audi - Works Honda - Works Chrysler - Works Opel - Works (they didnt race all races though) Alfa Romeo - Works Nissan - Works BMW - Semi works Ford - Semi works Yep, nine different manufacturers, it sure was a great fun to watch. |
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18 Oct 2000, 17:40 (Ref:43461)
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Just to update this.
The Euro STC will continue as an FIA SuperTouring next year, with new regs to be introduced in 2002. There will also be a second championship for SuperProduction cars. The 2 championships will run on the same bill (with FIA GT's) but as seperate series rather than a single race for both classes. All of this of course subject to final FIA approval on Dec 4th. |
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18 Oct 2000, 18:21 (Ref:43464)
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Yepper, this becomes more interestning for each day...
Wonder which one will be the biggest next year, Super Touring or Super Production? |
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18 Oct 2000, 19:31 (Ref:43480)
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At this stage, you'd have to say Super Touring, as the cars are already there, ready for the series, if a little tired.
No matter what the case, it's gonna be one helluva bill next season: FIA GTs and the ETCC as the headline events. BTW, do we know what the STCC organisers will be doing about 2001? |
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8 Dec 2000, 22:46 (Ref:51667)
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Time to update this one again....
FIA have confirmed that there will be 2 parallel championship - one for SuperTouring and one for SuperProduction. The ST cars get 2 races of 50km, the SP get a single 70km race. The calendar is slightly changed but will still run alongside the FIA GT championship. Apr 01 - Monza, Italy Apr 16 - Brno, Czech Republic May 01 - Magny-Cours, France May 13 - Silverstone, England May 20 - Zolder, Belgium Jul 01 - Hungaroring, Hungory Aug 26 - A1-Ring, Austria * Sep 09 - Nurburgring, Germany * Sep 30 - Jarama, Spain Oct 21 - Estoril, Portugal * to be confirmed |
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9 Dec 2000, 17:07 (Ref:51741)
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This will definitely be a don't miss calendar in 2001, me thinks. Silverstone's biggest event of next year, without a doubt!! Yes, they still have the GP, don't they?
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11 Dec 2000, 00:24 (Ref:51902)
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European Touring Cars
There will be results coverage of the european touring car championship on http://www.wotresults.com, they have just confirmed the championship for coverage next year. Along with loads of other Touring car championships.
Anyone want to write reports to them, e-mail them |
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17 Dec 2000, 06:59 (Ref:52935)
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World Cups
Some asked about the World Cup events before?
1993 - Monza, Italy Race 1 1st Paul Radiisch Ford Mondeo 2nd Alain Cudini Opel Vectra 3rd Nicola Larini Alfa Romeo 155 4th John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier 5th Alessandro Nannini Alfa Romeo 155 6th Yannick Dalmas Peugeot 405 Race 2 1st Paul Radisich Ford Mondeo 2nd Nicola Larini Alfa Romeo 155 3rd Phillippe Gache Alfa Romeo 155 4th Eric van de Poele Nissan Primera 5th Alex Burgstaller BMW 318i 6th Emanuelle Pirro BMW 318i 1994 - Donnington, UK 1st Paul Radisich Ford Mondeo 2nd Steve Soper BMW 318i 3rd Jo Winkelhock BMW 318i 4th Gabriele Tarquini Alfa Romeo 155 5th Hans Stuck Jr Audi 80 Quattro 6th Johnny Cecotto BMW 318i 1995 - Paul Ricard, France Race 1 1st Frank Biela Audi A4 Quattro 2nd Steve Soper BMW 318i 3rd Yvan Muller BMW 318i 4th Johnny Cecotto BMW 318i 5th Hans Stuck Jr Audi A4 Quattro 6th Kelvin Burt Ford Mondeo Race 2 1st Emanuelle Pirro Audi A4 Quattro 2nd Frank Biela Audi A4 Quattro 3rd Steve Soper BMW 318i 4th Yvan Muller BMW 318i 5th Alain Menu Renault Laguna 6th Johnny Cecotto BMW 318i 1997 Bathurst 1000 (Defacto World Cup???) 1st Geoff Brabham / David Brabham BMW 320i 2nd Frank Biela / Brad Jones Audi A4 Quattro 3rd Jean-Francois Hemroulle / Cameron McConville Audi A4 Quattro 4th Rickard Rydell / Jim Richards Volvo 850 5th Jan Nilsson / Cameron McLean Volvo 850 6th Derek Warwick / Peter Brock Vauxhall Vectra 1998 Bathurst 1000 (Defacto World Cup???) 1st Rickard Rydell / Jim Richards Volvo S40 2nd Matt Neal / Steven Richards Nissan Primera 3rd Brad Jones / Cameron McConville Audi A4 Quattro 4th Cameron McLean / Tony Scott BMW 320i 5th Derek Warwick / John Cleland Vauxhall Vectra 6th Peter Hills / Domenic Beninca Ford Mondeo yours Mark Jones |
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