How Homebush Was Reported/Secured... (merged x2)

[v8man]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Yes? What else would they be? Street circuit is a circuit made out of public roads.....

I can go and drive a look of bathurst tomorrow, likewise Homebush, but i couldn't at EC.

This is where you are wrong, can you go to Homebush and negotiage the chicanes, no, because the have been removed but you can drive through the chase at Bathurst as the track remains the same 52 weeks of the year. Yes you can argue that both are open to the public but they are not completely as the concreate barriers, chincanes, fencing and many other things are added to Homebush, Surfers, Hamilton, Townsville and Albert Park to transform them into a race track, at Bathurst very little of this is done prior to the police closing the road

[Robert Ryan]

Back to Peter McKay: Peter McKay (not me) is a respected motoring and motorsport journalist who doesn't grovel and lap up the largesse (with strings attached) that TC throws at those journalists who like being wined and dined for favourable press in return. Yes, Peter is negative towards the circus that is VESA, but we'd have better motorsport (with less circuses and rock bands) if a few more offered up some criticism and doubted some of the ridiculous figures that Tony
expects the masses to believe.

I feel sorry for you if you think that about Peter. ..or you another fully paid up member of the ARDC?

Martin Griffin (a familiar name) who was a keen bike racing fan, concocted a plan and lobbied the federal government to provide funds to build a "scenic drive" over what was then known as Bald Hill. He argued the economic advantages of building the road as increased local employment in the construction itself and the influx of tourists the road and new lookout would attract. Until the funding was approved and received, the council were extremely careful to make no mention whatsoever of the true purpose of the road which was to be the replacement of the Vales circuit and the new home of the Easter races.

Sounds like Homebush except circa 1937

Not buying into any silly arguments here as it only drags the forum down but there are a lot of straight out misrepresentations in that feature/story.

For a start has he never heard of the GST.

It's all just rubbish cliques that the V8 knockers/haters/deniers drag out all the time.

If that came from the Murdoch press it wouldn't bother me but you do expect a higher standard from your 'normal' press sources.

Retro. I think some of the trolls who have decided to turn up would be unhappy with V8Supercars no matter what they did. Trolls rubbish everything about a certain subject either deliberately to break up a reasonable argument or have a another agenda entirely. I think the ones who come here are members of the ARDC.
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Yes you can argue that both are open to the public but they are not completely as the concreate barriers, chincanes, fencing and many other things are added to Homebush, Surfers, Hamilton, Townsville and Albert Park to transform them into a race track, at Bathurst very little of this is done prior to the police closing the road

Before some of the permanent buildings were added , it was almost exactly like Homebush.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by v8man

This is where you are wrong, can you go to Homebush and negotiage the chicanes, no, because the have been removed but you can drive through the chase at Bathurst as the track remains the same 52 weeks of the year. Yes you can argue that both are open to the public but they are not completely as the concreate barriers, chincanes, fencing and many other things are added to Homebush, Surfers, Hamilton, Townsville and Albert Park to transform them into a race track, at Bathurst very little of this is done prior to the police closing the road

There many vids and pics of people driving through the track when it was getting setup, and still open to the public

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Aarrgh8

I've moved on - leaving you with your motor racing circuit categories of two. Nurburgring, Spa Francorchamps, Le Mans, Isle of Man, Mount Panorama, and going back a bit, Mille Miglia and Targa Florio aaand... Homebush all being in the one category and same kind of circuit.

'Tata' for now.

Hi, this is Australia, welcome. 6 of those 8 tracks arent in this country. What 'other' countries class their tracks is up to them. WE have street, or permanent. Before you mentioned it, i'd never heard the term 'road course' unless i was watching nascar, funnily enough, which is an American series, you know, that big country no-where near this one?

[Aarrgh8]

Like I said: I've moved on. If you can't differentiate between the streets of Homebush and the 'built as a motor racing circuit' Mount Panorama track, it doesn't really matter - but if you really must put our Australian tracks into two categories, let 'street' or 'permanent' suffice in your mind. 'Permanent', like permanent pits, permanent stands, permanent layout, permanent track. No need to bring in hundreds of concrete blocks, barricades and fences to define the layout. Oh, and no streets.

None of this bickering about Bathurst being a street circuit has much to do with discussing the Telstra 500 at the Homebush precinct. A big event, but a very ordinary weekend of racing at a great place to hold an event, but an awful street circuit. JMHO.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Aarrgh8

'Permanent', like permanent pits, permanent stands, permanent layout, permanent track. No need to bring in hundreds of concrete blocks, barricades and fences to define the layout. Oh, and no streets.

Glad were on the same page now

[mac]

Originally Posted by Aarrgh8

I guess Homebush needed someone to give a counter journalistic report to the equally biased reporting the Tele has been offering up. IMHO, the Tele's 'reporting' on the Telstra 500 failed the impartiality test more miserably than the Herald's did.

It was brilliant stuff. "Somehow convince" News Ltd to thoroughly cover the lead-up, duration and aftermath of the event...

Get the most widely read news outlet in the country to have their journalists - with a complete lack of understanding of the sport and incredible gullibility (therefore a high likelihood of writing whatever we tell them to)... It was even perfectly timed for when their football writers had nothing to do...

If the Telegraph really cared about the sport, they would have someone writing about it that had a clue...

[Robert Ryan]

I thought Peter Mckay was a respected journalist according to you?

Back to Peter McKay: Peter McKay (not me) is a respected motoring and motorsport journalist

the Tele's 'reporting' on the Telstra 500 failed the impartiality test more miserably than the Herald's did.

[Aarrgh8]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

I thought Peter Mckay was a respected journalist according to you?

That's right. Is it the language you're struggling with?

[Robert Ryan]

That's right. Is it the language you're struggling with?

Please go back to the ARDC and say you posted another silly comment, they will enjoy that.

[Robert Ryan]

I found these on the Tube if they are of interest to you...[I haven't watched them]

Retro great event. To make as much space as it did in the Fairfax papers is exceptional.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Please go back to the ARDC and say you posted another silly comment, they will enjoy that.

Is that your token line for anyone that doesn't agree with you? If so the ARDC is employing a whole lot of people.

It is obvious that the McKay article was aimed to get a rise out of V8SA. These guys have traded barbs over the years and after Cochrane's 'everyone but me is stupid' spray following Homebush - I dont think it will be the last.

That said McKay did raise some key points surrounding the Homebush event. The released crowd and the Telegraphs reporting of the event through James Phelps.
Both very contentious issues which more than a few have commented on during the last few months and I dont think anyone here was/is surprised when they have been brought up.

Mckay raised concerns about the Saturday crowd however I feel that the bigger criminal act was the 51,000 people that were announced for the Friday.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Please go back to the ARDC and say you posted another silly comment, they will enjoy that.

Aarrgh8 isnt an apologist for anyone.. well except for Holden stuff

There are always 2 sides to every sides to every story, and in this case, there are some powerful extremes being reported in the press, and a 184,000 people who voted with their feet and showed up.

Lets see if they come back next year. I hope they do. And bring their friends and family!

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

There are always 2 sides to every story

Correction, 3 sides.

Your side, their side, and the truth

[chavez]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Hi, this is Australia, welcome. 6 of those 8 tracks arent in this country. What 'other' countries class their tracks is up to them. WE have street, or permanent. Before you mentioned it, i'd never heard the term 'road course' unless i was watching nascar, funnily enough, which is an American series, you know, that big country no-where near this one?

Bathurst is in no way a "street" circuit.

While both Bathurst and Homebush are closed public road circuits Homebush is a street circuit because it is on roads, or more correctly streets lined by buildings The roads that make up Mt Panorama could never be called streets.

However it can be confusing. While there is no doubt the current Surfers Layout is a Street Circuit, what about Albert Park? Street or road circuit?

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by chavez

Bathurst is in no way a "street" circuit.

While both Bathurst and Homebush are closed public road circuits Homebush is a street circuit because it is on roads, or more correctly streets lined by buildings The roads that make up Mt Panorama could never be called streets.

However it can be confusing. While there is no doubt the current Surfers Layout is a Street Circuit, what about Albert Park? Street or road circuit?

Like i said, just because it is 'bathurst scenic 'road'', doesn't make it not a street circuit.

Can i drive on albert park? If so, street circuit. Or are 'street' circuits in your eyes only the ones with concrete lining the whole track with no runoff?
Clipsal could almost be called a permanent circuit then.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Like i said, just because it is 'bathurst scenic 'road'', doesn't make it not a street circuit.

Can i drive on albert park? If so, street circuit. Or are 'street' circuits in your eyes only the ones with concrete lining the whole track with no runoff?
Clipsal could almost be called a permanent circuit then.

Street circuits tend to be concrete lined with little run off due to being surrounded by buildings.

A "street" and a "road" are, by definition, slightly different things.

The "streets of Adelaide" makes sense, but it would defy logic to call Mt Panorama the "streets of ....." anything.

However a track made up of the streets of the Bathurst township would be a street circuit.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by chavez

Street circuits tend to be concrete lined with little run off due to being surrounded by buildings.

A "street" and a "road" are, by definition, slightly different things.

The "streets of Adelaide" makes sense, but it would defy logic to call Mt Panorama the "streets of ....." anything.

However a track made up of the streets of the Bathurst township would be a street circuit.

So only if its around buildings, on flat (ish) ground its a street circuit. On a hill, or around lake in a park, is different

[mtpanorama]

From Dictionary.com

Street
a public thoroughfare, usually paved, in a village, town, or city, including the sidewalk or sidewalks.

Road
a long, narrow stretch with a smoothed or paved surface, made for traveling by motor vehicle, carriage, etc., between two or more points;

[STEALTHY]

Better call clipsal500 organisers, the following 'roads' are no longer avaliable for use on their 'street' track

Bartels ROAD
Wakefield ROAD (but they can use 'wakefield street', 100 metres further up )

[rustyinsthoz]

So Mount Panorama is a street circuit. Ok, name the streets that make up the Mount Panorama circuit.

[Woolley]

Perhpas we're playing with the wrong semantics here, since everyone's using the American terms while pointing out you're not American. Road and Street in this case to distinguish from Oval which I think is their default idea of a racing circuit. I do wonder on that basis quite what they would use to describe Cleveland, where the public use is not exactly for road cars. Something a little bigger.

European terms: Temporary or Permanent is a little more appropriate in this case.

My definitions:
Permanent circuit = private road solely intended for use for competitive, speed or testing and not avaialble to the general public as a right of way.
Temporary circuit = a road who's primary use is for the general public and which is closed for the purposes of competition.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Perhpas we're playing with the wrong semantics here, since everyone's using the American terms while pointing out you're not American. Road and Street in this case to distinguish from Oval which I think is their default idea of a racing circuit. I do wonder on that basis quite what they would use to describe Cleveland, where the public use is not exactly for road cars. Something a little bigger.

Airfield/Airport Circuit.

[Robert Ryan]

While both Bathurst and Homebush are closed public road circuits

Correct. Their primary aim is to give access to the Public when they are not operating, unlike a dedicated racing or testing facility.

[bazil]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Is that your token line for anyone that doesn't agree with you? If so the ARDC is employing a whole lot of people.

Yes, it seems appropriate for you, McDribble and your 3 or 4 mates.

Mckay raised concerns about the Saturday crowd however I feel that the bigger criminal act was the 51,000 people that were announced for the Friday.

Criminal act???? Are you serious... It’s about time you come clean on the cause of your mental illness DRT. "Quick call the police, someone is talking up their deserved success"...

What did the evil Supercar people do to you that has caused you to spend every moment you get being negative. It does not matter if it’s a successful event; you will bag it, Drivers to stay in their own cars; you say it’s another terrible decision; people on here both local and overseas talk positive about the event and the new speed TV deal and what have you got... nothing just more of your usual garbage laced with the same "I’m taking my bat & ball and going home", dummy spit attitude that McIdiot provides us with...



The only “criminal act” is that the rest of us have to read your negative garbage every time we log on, and if any one dares to question your negativity its attacking the poster…?


I bet you love it when someone messes your order up or makes you wait… gives something to whinge about eh…

It was a great event, fantastic crowds, good racing action, super access to teams and drivers in the garage and recognition and commitment by the organizers to improve and tinker with it to make it bigger and better in years to come. Nothing but positives from where I am looking, with plenty of real mates that think the same thing who can’t wait for next year.