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22 Feb 2004, 12:00 (Ref:881815) | #26 | ||
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Edmund is definitely under-rated, except by himself of course. Trying to compare race drivers is tricky, it's like putting your favourite bands into order, often it simply reveals personal prejudices. Unless driving identical cars in identical circumstances who can say, certainly not most armchair pundits.
First seen him crashing with Alain Menu at Oulton Park in the eighties attempting a daring pass that didn't come off but got the crowd's attention ! Enjoyed watching him in F1, on track and off. My brother-in-law can't stand him, Faking It with the snotty computer games guy failing to be a race driver...he's Eddie Irvine ! Yeah, right. |
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22 Feb 2004, 16:13 (Ref:881927) | #27 | ||
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a lot less than I rate Boutsen! still an entertaing bloke if nothing else
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22 Feb 2004, 16:20 (Ref:881930) | #28 | ||
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I cant believe anyone could rate Herbert above Irv. Blow him into the weeds he did!
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22 Feb 2004, 17:07 (Ref:881951) | #29 | ||
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I can! Quite easily, to be fair.
However I rate (considering the careers of) Rubens, Frentzen, Mika, Michael, DC, Hill, JV, Berger, Alesi, Brundle, Fisi, Wurz, Ralf, Trulli, Button, Panis... just names off the top of my head and trying to keep it to vague contemporaries of Irvine. IMHO. |
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22 Feb 2004, 18:36 (Ref:882020) | #31 | ||
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The only time Eddie won convincingly over a teammate was in 2002 with Pedro de la Rosa, but Pedro's car kept breaking nearly every race... And when Eddie was 3rd that year at Monza, Pedro's car didn't fail. Massa hit him...
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23 Feb 2004, 01:21 (Ref:882329) | #32 | |
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If I had to choose someone to drive me somewhere, in a hurry, there is absolutely no way I would pick irvine over rb or jh, or tb
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23 Feb 2004, 03:05 (Ref:882386) | #33 | |
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Eddie who? You mean that little Irish fella who spent more time being a playboy then anything alse?I didn't really rate him as his mouth moved faster then the cars he drove except the Ferrari.
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23 Feb 2004, 13:38 (Ref:882780) | #34 | ||
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lol
Tend to agree as well....... |
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23 Feb 2004, 13:43 (Ref:882789) | #35 | ||
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Time has been gentleman with Eddie: IMo he was neither underated nor overhyped.
In 1999 he was the luckiest man in the world; his opponents (Macs) did everything they could do to let him win (never saw the macs scrw up things like that year) but it wasn't enough. |
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23 Feb 2004, 15:13 (Ref:882855) | #36 | ||
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IMP Eddie was a fantastic driver and also one of the best characters in formula one. In relation to rating him as a driver well the guy did what he was told by ferrari lets remember that he was there to help ferrari and MS win championships nothing else. As far as the 1999 season is concerned he got nowhere near the same support that MS had been a custom to in fact each time i think of the second half of the 99 season the ferrari pits and THREE wheels always springs to mind. When he went to Jag well that was a mess they spent more time hiring and firing top key personnel than much needed time on there car. I remember Eddie Jordon said during the 99 season that if Eddie was to become world champion he would make a fantastic world champion i agreed 100%. I think alot of people looked at the life style that Eddie leads and they seem to think that he didnt take formule one serious well at anyone time there can only be two ferrari drivers and he was one of them.
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23 Feb 2004, 19:23 (Ref:883112) | #37 | ||
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Here, Here!! Just could not see Ferrari "losing" one of MS's wheels.
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23 Feb 2004, 21:15 (Ref:883258) | #38 | ||
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Just because Eddie was a Ferrari driver alongside TGF doesn't make him a world-beater. Remember Mansell's comment (at least I think it was him) about the Williams and the trained monkey.......?
I don't mean to be offensive about Eddie. He was a good driver. Good in the lower formulae, good in sports cars and good in the Ferrari. But there are an awful lot of other drivers out there (now and then) who would have been good in that Ferrari..... |
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23 Feb 2004, 22:58 (Ref:883362) | #39 | ||
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Based entirely on his attributes as a driver and nothing to do with his characteristics I have to say:
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23 Feb 2004, 23:06 (Ref:883369) | #40 | |
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The way some people go on, you'd think Eddie was as bad as Deletraz or something!
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Oh crickey no, but the way others go on you'd think he was as good as a top driver.
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I knew that was coming!
He was a top driver though.....people tend to classify DC as a top driver, Irvine was better than him in my opinion, given that he never had a superior car to DC. |
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It's a tough arugument, can you judge a driver purely on his results? Are all cars equal (including those from the same team)? I think if we quantify one of the very basic skills a driver needs to first qualify as a great, you can only come to one conclusion.
A great driver must be able to tell a good car from a not so good car, I'm sure everybody would agree? Eddie moved from Ferrari (Good Car) to Jaguar (Not So Good Car)..... IDIOT! |
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The way the Stewart team was going in 99, the new Jaguar outfit looked a good bet for 2000. Then something went wrong, Jackie Stewart announcing that he was leaving. |
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To some extent Jaguar seem incapable of running two competitive cars. As for Eddie - he was a good driver and was probably the ideal man for the Ferrari drive at the time. He was unlucky not to win the WDC in 99, yes McLaren made a mess of things but so did Ferrari that year so it pretty much equalled itself out. |
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I'd rate him roughly equal to Rubens, although he was ideal for the #2 Ferrari role, perhaps more so than Rubens, because he focussed on the task, accpeted his lack of testing and contractual restrictions, and got on with maximising his and the team's results. Signing him over Rubens despite the Brazillian appearing quicker at Jordan was an inspired move, because Rubens would've been emotionally crushed by the task in a slow car.
Had Eddie stayed in 2000 I think he could've taken his improved confidence and status forward and started to challenge Michael - but maybe he'd've taken points off him (or not been allowed to). His work at Jaguar was much-underrated as well. When the car was fast, he made the most of it. When it was slow, he got his head down and eked out the odd excellent result. His only bad run was in mid-2001 when De la Rosa was outpacing him. As both Rubens and Johnny have been team-mates to both Michael and Eddie, an allreound comaprison is quite easy - Johnny's the weakest of the four and Michael the best, with Rubens and Eddie about equal, but good for different situations. |
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24 Feb 2004, 10:36 (Ref:883776) | #48 | ||
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i think Irvine only missed out on the '99 title because Ferrari found it so hard to focus on a driver other than TGF.
I liked eddie, he brought humour to the grid and if his ego had powered his car he'd be a 10 time WDC. |
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24 Feb 2004, 13:32 (Ref:884003) | #50 | ||
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Never rated him.
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