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15 Sep 2003, 20:06 (Ref:719988)
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There are still a few who don't quite make it, but they area as follows
Tom Walkinshaw Pierre Dieudonne Tony Lanfranchi James Weaver Jochen Mass Eddy Joossens Dave Matthews Dave Brodie Roy Pierpoint Klaus Ludwig Nothing controversial, but still no room for Jack Sears (sorry Andrew) or Martin Brundle (who was mighty in the TWR Jaguars), Armin Hahne, Cecotto, Grice, Patrick Watts and even Peter Baldwin. |
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15 Sep 2003, 21:09 (Ref:720054)
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No particular order
Soper Rouse Percy Marshall Clark Tarquini Winkelhock Will Hoy Keith Odor (Awesome in the Skyline) Sir John Whitmore (I did wonder if he would get a mention). And lastly love him or hate him, Frank Sytner. I actually saw him smile once. Goodwood 1998 when his Jag broke down! Steve B |
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16 Sep 2003, 17:14 (Ref:720966)
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Top Drivers
Top Ten Touring car drivers need to consist of the consistent top drivers... Not one season wonders!
So in no particular order the first top drivers to enter my head (maybe updated u c) are.. 1) Hans Stuck 2) Bernd Schneider 3) Klaus Ludwig 4) Alain Menu 5) Laurant Aiello 6) Roberto Ravaglia 7) Frank Biela 8) Yvan Muller 9) Mark Skaife 10) Paul Radisich To be good enough for the list a driver must have the skill and ability to do good with an average car. In other words, be able to drive around a cars problems. Andy Rouse is a great touring car name, but had his doors blown of by Radisich. Mark Skaife has been around a long time and is still a winner. While Alain Menu and Ivan Muller have some of the best car control which keeps em in there! If anyone chucks in Mike Smith or James Thompson, shoot em! |
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17 Sep 2003, 10:14 (Ref:721636)
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As this is a historic forum, should people still racing be excluded?
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17 Sep 2003, 15:24 (Ref:721964)
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You could exclude people who are still racing, but Gerry Marshall, Andy Rouse, Fearless Frank Sytner and a few other of the "older" breed of saloon car driver, are still racing. and they are important parts of saloon car racing history aren't they?
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17 Sep 2003, 16:01 (Ref:722008)
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I'm sure Stacy would vote for Gerry Marshall
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19 Sep 2003, 10:28 (Ref:723984)
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Allan Moffat
Ian Geoghegan Peter Brock Frank Gardner Colin Bond Dick Johnson Gerhad Berger Tom Walkinshaw Win Percy Allan Grice (Jim Richards & Larry Perkins miss out as they are still driving.) |
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19 Sep 2003, 16:48 (Ref:724401)
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20 Sep 2003, 04:38 (Ref:724804)
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10 drivers are so hard to pick in such a long period of time. Here goes in no order at all:
Frank Gardner Jim Richards Steve Soper Roberto Ravaglia Dieter Quester Peter Brock John Cleland Allan Moffat Andy Rouse Laurent Aiello |
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20 Sep 2003, 10:23 (Ref:724921)
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But this is a thread about drivers of touring cars - isn't Brock's Monaro a touring car?
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20 Sep 2003, 10:43 (Ref:724929)
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Hard to go past moffman's list - except I'd replace Glenn Seton with Mark Skaife. Showing a 100% Australian bias, but Australia is where the World's best touring car racing comes from.
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20 Sep 2003, 11:41 (Ref:724952)
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The top ten of all time would be for me;
Jim Richards Brian Muir Peter Brock Roberto Ravaglia Frank Gardner Win Percy Allan Grice Colin Bond Steve Soper Armin Hahn |
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23 Sep 2003, 16:11 (Ref:727858)
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Oh my God! Yvan Muller must be the best ever.... He's just won the British Championship!! WOW! He's just the greatest...
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23 Sep 2003, 16:31 (Ref:727879)
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Ivan Muller
Hi Guys,
I quote "Oh my God! Yvan Muller must be the best ever.... He's just won the British Championship!! WOW! He's just the greatest... - NOT......." by Sofa King Smart. What a load of old ****! Ivan Muller isn't the best ever, BUT he's dam good. This year he has shown what makes a good touring car driver.. Consistency and a controversial incident. Either way he has outstanding car control as proven with his numerous Ice racing championships and this year put together some pretty good drives. Lets face it he won the championship and nobody else lost the championship, they were just beaten by someone who did the job better than them! Regards. |
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23 Sep 2003, 16:50 (Ref:727899)
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MaxMotus, I did write " NOT " after this ( very sarcastic ) statement.....
Oh, and Yvan IS spelt with a Y...........
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25 Sep 2003, 11:23 (Ref:729615)
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The best driver I have ever seen is a bloke by the name of Trevor Hodge. Genuis behind the wheel
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25 Sep 2003, 21:29 (Ref:730189)
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The Aussie content here is rather high.
My list: Jim Clark Sir John Whitmore Klaus Ludwig Hans Stuck Toine Hezemans Steve Soper Bernd Schneider Will Hoy Gerry Marshall Peter Brock (although I can't really judge him well) and very close: Whizzo John Handley (never saw a Cooper that sideways) Dieter Quester Win Percy and Fearfull Frank (Sytner) is just too aggressive to be in the 10 best. |
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Tin Top Heroes
My Top Ten in STRICT order are:
1. Frank Gardner 2. Jim Clark 3. Peter Brock 4. Brian Muir 5. Gerry Marshall 6. Dieter Quester 7. Andy Rouse 8. Steve Soper 9. John Clelland 10. Alain Menu Not only was Big Frank the best he was also the wittiest. My favourite comment came in a post race interview at Brands. The race - supporting event for the 1970 Race of Champions - was divided into two heats. In the first Gardner suffereed a shock absorber failure under braking for Druids. However the choice comment came after the second heat. The commentator was most interested to see if more problems had beset the Mustang. Gardner thought for a moment they said 'Gee yes! About three laps in the blooming radio packed up!'. 
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I really can't take any of these lists seriously if they don't have Win Percy, Martin Brundle, or Tom Walkinshaw near the top.
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Jackie Ickx used come to Australia & co drive with Allan Moffat At Bathurst - did he drive tourers in Europe (he hasnt been mentioned in this thread).
I saw Gerhad Berger give the Bob Jane Schnitzer BMW 635 a fair caning in Adelaide - most impressed - did he drive tourers often? |
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My List
1.) Klaus Ludwig 2.) Roberto Ravaglia 3.) Fabrizio Giovanardi 4.) Johnny Cecotto 5.) John Cleland 6. ) Smoking Joe 7.) Laurent Aiello 8.) Manuel Reuter 9.) Keke Rosberg 10.) Stefano Modena (came into DTM and won his debut- races) |
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Incidentally, was this thread resurrected following MotorSports highly contentious Top 20 Tin-Top Superstars list in their February issue? The March issue, which I received today, publishes three letters, not surprisingly challenging their list. 
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