2018 TCR UK - Page 2

redshoes · 9 Jul 2017, 18:06 (Ref:3749918)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

There are also a few British run TCR cars in the Creventic 24h series... not sure if any of those would be interested in doing sprint races at home, though.

Assuming there are no date clashes, and they can find a driver with a budget, then don't see why they wouldn't be interested. Good thing about TCR is it's an easy conversion from endurance to sprint spec. At the Dubai 24h this year, James Kaye ran the Audi RS3 in the local TCR series sprint race; the team did little more than change ride height and added fuel; and rolled the car onto the grid for the 24h race

BLiTZ · 9 Jul 2017, 20:09 (Ref:3750020)

Group N and Super Touring co-existed for long enough before the latter cannibalised the former to create BTC.

I think if TCR gets a footing in the UK we'll see an eventual merger of the two when NGTC eventually needs a replacement and or starts to fail due to costs.

Currently NGTC is touring car's GTE to TCR's GT3. And the way GTE is carrying on I think we'll have another late 90's GT1 situation on our hands again!

**BertMk2** · 10 Jul 2017, 09:04 (Ref:3750103)

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Originally Posted by BLiTZ

Currently NGTC is touring car's GTE to TCR's GT3. And the way GTE is carrying on I think we'll have another late 90's GT1 situation on our hands again!

I'm not sure this analogy is ideal - GT3 looks unsustainable too!

Andrew Abbott · 10 Jul 2017, 09:46 (Ref:3750109)

Some additional comments from Marcello on next year's TCR UK:

http://www.touringcars.net/2017/07/m...tcr-uk-success

I am looking forward to seeing how this develops.

**FIRE** · 10 Jul 2017, 12:13 (Ref:3750146)

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Originally Posted by AndySpeed

Some additional comments from Marcello on next year's TCR UK:

http://www.touringcars.net/2017/07/m...tcr-uk-success

I am looking forward to seeing how this develops.

So far they don't overestimate themself and know their place behind BTCC. I think that's a good starting point.

I can imagine there are Mini Challenge, VW Cup, Clio Cup drivers and teams that want to compete at a higher level but for which BTCC is a bridge too far.

Mark0994 · 12 Jul 2017, 07:54 (Ref:3750632)

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...-announcement/

TCR UK Series surprised by level of interest after 2018 launch announcement

BobJones · 12 Jul 2017, 13:17 (Ref:3750701)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...-announcement/

TCR UK Series surprised by level of interest after 2018 launch announcement

Very interesting read. Slower, cheaper, customer cars for use as a BTCC feeder series. If it's on the BritishGT support list, all 26 track-side fans will have fun.

NaBUru38 · 12 Jul 2017, 16:12 (Ref:3750731)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

The TCR cars also don't appear to roll around quite so much when cornering which has long been a pet hate of mine of the current BTCC cars.

I prefer touring cars that roll. V8 Supercars look cooler than Super TC2000 for that reason.

Rob877 · 12 Jul 2017, 17:23 (Ref:3750742)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

I prefer touring cars that roll. V8 Supercars look cooler than Super TC2000 for that reason.

Agreed, I like to see drivers being challenged by a car. I know all cars are challenging to drive on the edge, but it's difficult to get a sense of that with a car that is seemingly stuck to the road.

BobJones · 13 Jul 2017, 07:34 (Ref:3750866)

Can't say I like ABS on the TCR cars either. But that's what customer drivers want/need.

Would be nice, however, to see a non-driver aid and more power variant of TCR for the upper echelons of the class.

Mark0994 · 13 Jul 2017, 09:40 (Ref:3750879)

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Originally Posted by BobJones

Can't say I like ABS on the TCR cars either. But that's what customer drivers want/need.

Would be nice, however, to see a non-driver aid and more power variant of TCR for the upper echelons of the class.

TCR cars don't have ABS. Only Endurance version have it.

Sodemo · 13 Jul 2017, 10:30 (Ref:3750891)

I saw the TCR cars at Silverstone for the 24H. They were pretty impressive and to be honest, looked about as fast as a NGTC car.

MissClarrpz · 13 Jul 2017, 17:34 (Ref:3750970)

They are reasonably close. Over a 1 minute lap TCR is 1.5-2 seconds slower. NGTC have about 20bhp more so that's probably why

**ScotsBrutesFan** · 13 Jul 2017, 21:33 (Ref:3751018)

Having seen Morrison's Seat, and Crocker's Honda racing at Knockhill, big grid of TCRs would be great to see.

Matt K · 14 Jul 2017, 11:56 (Ref:3751147)

I can't see TCR UK beating BTCC. Let's start with the grid capacity and quality. I'm under no illusions that TCR will look worse in both aspects. I see TCR UK rather as a 'BTCC Development Series' and don't suspect that this will change soon

andy97 · 14 Jul 2017, 13:51 (Ref:3751168)

Hopefully the driving standards in TCR UK will be significantly better than the British Touring Car Crashfest (BTCC).

**chunterer** · 14 Jul 2017, 14:44 (Ref:3751184)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

I can't see TCR UK beating BTCC. Let's start with the grid capacity and quality. I'm under no illusions that TCR will look worse in both aspects. I see TCR UK rather as a 'BTCC Development Series' and don't suspect that this will change soon

Quality?

I see current BTCC has quantity and thrills and spills. On that front it does very well.

Apart from a handful of drivers, there are no names involved anymore.

Neither series are really 'touring cars'.

touring fan01 · 14 Jul 2017, 17:06 (Ref:3751231)

TCR themselves say they will be competing against Clip Cup, Mini challenge etc and only see themselves as a feeder series into BTCC.

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...-announcement/

Sodemo · 14 Jul 2017, 18:41 (Ref:3751249)

Is RWD allowed in TCR?

Racing Harz · 14 Jul 2017, 19:46 (Ref:3751261)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Is RWD allowed in TCR?

No.

Sodemo · 14 Jul 2017, 23:00 (Ref:3751308)

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Originally Posted by Racing Harz

No.

Thats a shame.

Matt K · 15 Jul 2017, 07:11 (Ref:3751366)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

Quality?

I see current BTCC has quantity and thrills and spills. On that front it does very well.

Apart from a handful of drivers, there are no names involved anymore.

Neither series are really 'touring cars'.

If you say there are no names involved in BTCC, imagine what drivers will be in TCR but I doubt that we will see any significant names. Moreover, the best of these drivers will aim at BTCC or TCR International. TCR UK won't make high level racing.
What about your statement that neither are touring cars? What do you mean?

S griffin · 15 Jul 2017, 07:24 (Ref:3751369)

The quality of BTCC is so high this season, it's very close, so I don't know what you mean when there is no quality in the BTCC. We're not going to get the international levels of drivers we had in the 90s, but we have got the best British tin top drivers and have done for a while

peebee2 · 15 Jul 2017, 08:33 (Ref:3751380)

Do you really think that?

Close I can see, but very little quality in any depth.

I think the style of racing and how things are managed means that 90% of those drivers suitable are in GTs and the places that frees up are taken by wannabees with money. Wannabees but neverwillbees...

Rob877 · 15 Jul 2017, 10:06 (Ref:3751392)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Do you really think that?

Close I can see, but very little quality in any depth.

I think the style of racing and how things are managed means that 90% of those drivers suitable are in GTs and the places that frees up are taken by wannabees with money. Wannabees but neverwillbees...

In years gone by I would definitely have agreed with you, but I think you're being pretty harsh on the current crop of drivers.

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