Should Aussie Racing Cars get a new manager?

[greenracer]

safety does come with a disadvantage ,the futureracer is some 100 kg heavier than arc, all in the chassis and roll cage ,double skinned panels [foam filled] adjacent to the driver, sheet metal infills surrounding the driver preventing debris such rocks etc from entering the cockpit ,sealed compartment for fuel tank.So before you start comparing prunes [arc] with oranges get all the facts first.

[Prickly_Goo]

Originally Posted by Flagger

Typical of the attitude on here peckstar,the countriesmost popular category and best run so why wouldnt someone try to cut it down,the good ol tall poppy syndrome. i am sure the heiracy at v8sc and CAMS have access to more info than is available on here and as i see this was listed in 2000 it could hardly be relevant now.

Flagger mate, you need to learn to read the document properly.. The company was registered in 2000, place in administration in August 2006..

and just something else while i'm here..

Why did some people have to pay $95 to run in the mechanics session?

I guess it depends on who you are perhaps?

[Tony C]

Originally Posted by greenracer

safety does come with a disadvantage ,the futureracer is some 100 kg heavier than arc, all in the chassis and roll cage ,double skinned panels [foam filled] adjacent to the driver, sheet metal infills surrounding the driver preventing debris such rocks etc from entering the cockpit ,sealed compartment for fuel tank.So before you start comparing prunes [arc] with oranges get all the facts first.

You sound close to the future racers, do you have any pictures of the cars without the bodywork. Got to admit its not an attractive body.

[bludvl_x19]

Tony, I agree with you about the first gen bodies, but the new one does look better, especially with the 17? inch wheels filling the arches nicely, and the body that looks like it has been shrinkwrapped around the internals.

Mick

[MrX]

Is there any pictures of these new bodies?

[bludvl_x19]

New Futureracer ones? There are, just looking for them....

Found one http://www.flickr.com/photos/24003550@N06/2299813122

They debuted at Calder, along with the new larger wheels IIRC

Mick

[MrX]

I hate to say it but they do still look crappy compared to ARC's

[racer69]

Originally Posted by xr8

Yeah just a heap slower in lap times even with a faster engine!

And that matters why??

They're not even racing one another....

[xr8]

Fernandel Angel! You have asked why the mechanics had to pay $95 to race at OP? The $95 dollars was to get a CAMS LIECENCE! but the ARC car club 12 months membership was given for free and there was no track fee charged. So does this mean that the mechanics were ripped off by CAMS as MR X has Stated?

[MrX]

double post, dont know what that happened

[MrX]

Originally Posted by xr8

Fernandel Angel! You have asked why the mechanics had to pay $95 to race at OP? The $95 dollars was to get a CAMS LIECENCE! but the ARC car club 12 months membership was given for free and there was no track fee charged. So does this mean that the mechanics were ripped off by CAMS as MR X has Stated?

Because this thread has been edited obviously to appease the concerns of the Creator, I have cut and paste my original quote that gives xr8 the opinion that think people are getting ripped off.

I am happy to let everyone else make there own opinion but xr8 you dribbling fool… this is for your benefit and also to discredit you even more! Where did I ever say that people were ripped off?

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Yeah freaking right he is on the ball and enthusiastic!!! I would have been enthusiastic as well if I was charging over 30 people $880 each for what I have learn this morning wasn’t even an “official” race!

My source is telling me that the format in which the day was arranged (on the cheap to make more mullah) didn’t allow for “racing” and only sprinting and that there was even compromising from Oran Park management to allow that to happen! Geeezzzz Wardy you should do your bloody homework you twit.

Considering that the entrants fees alone would have seen Wardy collect over $26,000 not including the other monies as I am hearing that there was also a few other classes out there paying full freight for track time as well. So collecting over $30,000 in entry fees for a glorified track day that would have cost less than $5000 to put on! I think I would have been very enthusiastic about the day as well.

MrX should thinks he should give up what he is doing for a living and start promoting motorsport!

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XR8, I was outlining the fact that Phil Ward charged the patrons that support his cause $880 read it again you twit “EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS” for a glorified track day.

Now that I think about it, maybe I should of infact allege that he did rip people of because really he did. $880 for what was a glorified track day is about $600 more than I know anyone has ever paid. For someone to make over $20k profit for what was a track day and not a race… yeah, he did rip people off!

xr8 if you want to keep attempting to bring into disrepute everything that I say, I suggest that you really start to think about what you say if you want to maintain any credibility.

I will say it again… all Flagger, aussieracer and yourself do is dribble on about me and never debate ANYTHING that I post.

Again, I challenge you to debate me or prove that anything that I have ever posted about ARC isn’t 100% correct? Until such a time, I along with everyone else on this forum will continue to think that nothing that the three of you say has any legitimacy at all.

Yeah all mechanics raced for free and free 12 months club membership.

Must be time for whom to wake up xr8?

12 months membership to what club? What benefits do you get from this club? Who is the club president and who is in the committee? What other opportunities does this club provide you opportunity to participate in? Do you get any discounts for anything hehe

Anyway, my bones are sore from a weekend away down at Sandown and I need sleep before I go to work tonight, but seriously xr8… must be time for whom to wake up?

[aussieracer]

gee x, you do need some sleep, someones a bit cranky!

[RACERERTIE71]

Originally Posted by MrX

Is there any pictures of these new bodies?

You can check the future Racers out at futureracingcars.com.au

The car and driver involved in the accident at calder where both repaired, the car required a new front end from the firewall foward, a new body, a set of wheels, and the driver broke his collar bone.

[xr8]

So Ward raked in 30 thousand dollars and made a 20 grand profit eh?
So who is the TWIT?
How are you so privy to how much he took in and how much were his costs?
Are you his accountant?
Do you know how many people actually paid?
Do you know how much he paid the dozen or so employees the 4 days they took to take all the cars, associated equipment, pay the caterers, put in place the media, give the media free drives,bring back the cars equipment to the workshop that I add is not free, feed & house the TAFE guys for 4 days.
Seeing that you are such a magician why dont you just arrange a meeting for us for free so we can send you broke like the other half a dozen catagories that have failed in the past few years!
You call me a twit? You would have to a bankrupt twit if you ran a catagory and sent it broke then all the competitors would want your head wouldnt they!
You seem to forget that the people that run this catagory are in a bussiness
operation not a hobby!
The ARC group is one of the most cost effective operations for the exposure it gets in this country and Mr Ward is now attemting to get another class going that will be a lot more cost effective and you still knock him.
Mr X you are a disgrace to this forum and all the ARC motorsport competitors and followers.

[MrX]

Originally Posted by xr8

So Ward raked in 30 thousand dollars and made a 20 grand profit eh?
So who is the TWIT?
How are you so privy to how much he took in and how much were his costs?
Are you his accountant?
Do you know how many people actually paid?
Do you know how much he paid the dozen or so employees the 4 days they took to take all the cars, associated equipment, pay the caterers, put in place the media, give the media free drives,bring back the cars equipment to the workshop that I add is not free, feed & house the TAFE guys for 4 days.
Seeing that you are such a magician why dont you just arrange a meeting for us for free so we can send you broke like the other half a dozen catagories that have failed in the past few years!
You call me a twit? You would have to a bankrupt twit if you ran a catagory and sent it broke then all the competitors would want your head wouldnt they!
You seem to forget that the people that run this catagory are in a bussiness
operation not a hobby!
The ARC group is one of the most cost effective operations for the exposure it gets in this country and Mr Ward is now attemting to get another class going that will be a lot more cost effective and you still knock him.
Mr X you are a disgrace to this forum and all the ARC motorsport competitors and followers.

Jim Clews i think that the paint fumes are getting to your head. Lets be honest here… we all know who Phil Ward’s favourite spray painter is don’t we? hehe

In regards to calculating the costs, it’s pretty easy when you have been around the motorsport scene for as long as I have and even easier when I have people I know who were at the event, telling me how it is! There isn’t any grey other than on my head, its pretty well black and white.

I also believe your comments about some people not paying the $880 that the mainstream punters would have paid, I absolutely believe it because I know that there are different standards for different people within the ranks of this class hence the reason I am passionate about telling it how it is much to your disgust.

I love this one; you ask me if I am his accountant… that hilarious because I don’t even believe his accountant knows what he is doing half the time!!!

Do you want me to keep going Jim?

[xr8]

No MR X! I would have been disapionted with any thing less from you!

[Prickly_Goo]

Originally Posted by xr8

Fernandel Angel! You have asked why the mechanics had to pay $95 to race at OP? The $95 dollars was to get a CAMS LIECENCE! but the ARC car club 12 months membership was given for free and there was no track fee charged. So does this mean that the mechanics were ripped off by CAMS as MR X has Stated?

Please xr8 spell my name right next time!! Fernandez Angel!!!!

I asked purely because it show that there are two sets of rules if some paid and some didnt...

[MrX]

Originally Posted by Fernandez_Angel

Should CAMS sack Phil Ward and appoint a new category manager for Aussie Racing Cars?

I don think i answered the actual question, so here goes...Yes, they should!

Will they? No they wont.

[aussieracer]

ok, all we seem to hear from mr x and co about things that may or may not have happened. we could argue about it all day long. i put the question out there, to the people that have certain *opinions* about the series. who would be better in your opinion to run the series?? if you were running the series, what would YOU do different?? how would YOU keep the series afloat, keep the $$$ going, pay the bills ect and manage a series with soooo many cars and keep EVERYONE happy. there seems to be a lot of posts about how poorly managed the series is, but if you have this opinion, what would you do to fix it? its easy to sit and bag a series, but what would you do different. im not being smart or personally attacking anyone, im just interested to know. also, where do you see the series in the next 2 years?

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by aussieracer

ok, all we seem to hear from mr x and co about things that may or may not have happened. we could argue about it all day long. i put the question out there, to the people that have certain *opinions* about the series. who would be better in your opinion to run the series?? if you were running the series, what would YOU do different?? how would YOU keep the series afloat, keep the $$$ going, pay the bills ect and manage a series with soooo many cars and keep EVERYONE happy. there seems to be a lot of posts about how poorly managed the series is, but if you have this opinion, what would you do to fix it? its easy to sit and bag a series, but what would you do different. im not being smart or personally attacking anyone, im just interested to know. also, where do you see the series in the next 2 years?

I'd like to see the management of the category handed over to someone like Q Media, who run the Touring Car Masters and are looking at Cup Car. They would have to be independent and self governing, which would mean The Wards would have to stick to running the workshop and focusing on developing the current car, along with new body types, mechanical improvements and so on. They would the manufactures only, may have a say on the board of directors, but that's as far as it goes. This would also mean that the new management company would then regulate all technical components of the series, including independently inspecting vehicles and certifying them for racing.

Porsche don't manage there racing series, they have someone else do it for them. And shame should go here.

But at the end of the day if it is all about keeping the $$$ going and paying the bills, then the above is not worth a pinch of ****.

[cavvy]

Any way you look at this the role of CAMS must be considered.

Do they have the right to fire a series promoter?

[mac]

Ward's business practices may be questionable at times - to be honest, I don't know, and as such I'm not prepared to hang him.

What I do know is that he has single-handedly turned Aussie Racing Cars into the most exciting support category for the V8s, one of the best presented, and the one with the largest number of entrants.

Say what you will, he has achieved a lot with his category in a relatively short number of years - attracted big sponsors, name drivers, gone to the biggest events in the country, even got a full championship round at the AGP (something Mr Cochrane hasn't managed to achieve!).

And, as we all know, money makes the motorsport world go around. While the Carrera Cup and Mini Challenge has the support of Porsche and BMW, Ward started with absolutely no external cash flow - Aussie Racing Cars is his job, he needs to generate cash not only to keep the series running, but to pay himself and his employees to live.

So yes, there may be some questions about the way Ward operates some aspects of his business (as I said, I don't know), but while many have failed and categories have petered out, the Aussie Racing Cars have thrived and become a significant player in Australian motorsport.

And no, X, I am not an apologist for Ward simply because I have said something positive about Aussie Racing Cars - I just felt this discussion needed some balance.

[Prickly_Goo]

Originally Posted by cavvy

Any way you look at this the role of CAMS must be considered.

Do they have the right to fire a series promoter?

Cavvy this is how I see it...

If CAMS are truly the managers of motorsport in Australia then they should be able to sack the category manager if that category manager has a conflict of interest. I would say that Nascup is a conflict of interest!

I am sure that CAMS have contract cluases that allow them to maintain ultimate control, especially if they are liable to be sued themselves for someone elses errors!

In the words of GTR..If it actually happened...

[Prickly_Goo]

Originally Posted by mac

Ward's business practices may be questionable at times - to be honest, I don't know, and as such I'm not prepared to hang him.

What I do know is that he has single-handedly turned Aussie Racing Cars into the most exciting support category for the V8s, one of the best presented, and the one with the largest number of entrants.

Say what you will, he has achieved a lot with his category in a relatively short number of years - attracted big sponsors, name drivers, gone to the biggest events in the country, even got a full championship round at the AGP (something Mr Cochrane hasn't managed to achieve!).

And, as we all know, money makes the motorsport world go around. While the Carrera Cup and Mini Challenge has the support of Porsche and BMW, Ward started with absolutely no external cash flow - Aussie Racing Cars is his job, he needs to generate cash not only to keep the series running, but to pay himself and his employees to live.

So yes, there may be some questions about the way Ward operates some aspects of his business (as I said, I don't know), but while many have failed and categories have petered out, the Aussie Racing Cars have thrived and become a significant player in Australian motorsport.

And no, X, I am not an apologist for Ward simply because I have said something positive about Aussie Racing Cars - I just felt this discussion needed some balance.

Mac, did you know that Wardy has also single handedly burned a lot of people... competitors and sponsors along the way...

The category would be even bigger and more popular with competitors if Wardy was just a manufacturer not the promoter....

[tickin]

i emailed the info@aussieracingcars address from the website asking about a few things and what info they have available regarding tv ratings, tv schedule (for next year) and anything else that may be helpful in seeking sponsorship for a car for next year. But nothing, no email back saying sorry w cant help or we dont give out that advice etc... just nothing at all..!!!!!
VERY poor in my opinion... i was actually thinking of getting a car together, but obviously you need a propsal to show possible sponsors.... most want atleast an estimated tv ratings/expected audience...