Wurz expected to announce his retirement/Not racing in Brazil - Page 2

Ralf's Girl · 8 Oct 2007, 18:24 (Ref:2035168)

I think perhaps he said he wanted to retire and the team suggested that he did it early, giving them a chance to try a possible replacement in the final race. It certainly makes sense from their point of view - I can't see the benefit to a driver of stopping a race early.

Knowlesy · 8 Oct 2007, 18:30 (Ref:2035177)

I can't see the benefit of a one race tryout myself. At Interlagos of all places!

Ralf's Girl · 8 Oct 2007, 18:39 (Ref:2035187)

Not ideal, but perhaps a better reflection than just testing?

Knowlesy · 8 Oct 2007, 18:40 (Ref:2035189)

Until the drivers neck collapses on lap 33.

Davhut · 8 Oct 2007, 18:42 (Ref:2035190)

Good bye and good luck to one of F1s true class acts. I'll miss Wurz because he lived by our long mantra "when the green flag drops, the bullsh*t stops."
And because he acted a complete gentleman. Can't imagine him in all the "throwing of the bull" such as seen by Ferrari, McLaren, Lewis & Freddie.
You'll be missed, Alex.

Davhut · 8 Oct 2007, 18:44 (Ref:2035193)

Anyone besides me smell an engine change and a Vettel at Williams?

Down F0rce · 8 Oct 2007, 19:13 (Ref:2035215)

Great guy, great driver too - too many years of testing and not enough racing left him was a rather dissapointing season really, other than the podium in Canada. I hope he stays on as a test driver, he has a lot to offer in that regard. I hope he has good luck in his new racing projects too, as he says he could race at Le Mans again.

As for the replacement, it's gotta be Nakajima surley? He's already done some Friday testing with the team and thanks to the Toyota link he's on the shortlist for drivers next year.

Alan Raine · 8 Oct 2007, 19:17 (Ref:2035220)

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Originally Posted by Davhut

Anyone besides me smell an engine change and a Vettel at Williams?

Why would he go to Williams?

Mr V · 8 Oct 2007, 19:21 (Ref:2035224)

One good race doesn't make for an up and coming team. As opposed to why would he go to Williams? Surely it would be more a case of STR not letting him out of their sight.

**chunterer** · 8 Oct 2007, 19:24 (Ref:2035227)

Absolutely, Can't see Vettel going to Williams.....

I'm wondering that if the Williams-Tonio link has any substAnce then he leaves STR early and does the last race with them and perhaps Seabass does the last race for STR?????

I think Alex has shown reasonable bottle to pack it in now rather than even do the last round. Maybe he felt he wouldn't be doing either the team or him justice anymore. Is he going to continue testing though as orignally thought?

Mr Pink · 8 Oct 2007, 19:32 (Ref:2035236)

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Originally Posted by jab

Perhaps a certain Spaniard will be replaced by a certain German-Finn so Wurz has to stay on for another year

Hopefully Alex the austrian will be replaced by a certain Alx the sweed

**Bononi** · 8 Oct 2007, 20:56 (Ref:2035316)

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Originally Posted by alonso11

me dont expect huge surprises there since Nakajima was already scheduled for a friday test in Brazil. Although a Piquet debut on home soil might be something Petrobras would throw in a few extra $$$ for, it does seem a bit far-fetched.
Dunno, Verstappen maybe ?

Piquet doesn't have links with Petrobras... and Nakajima is almost certain as a replacement.

alonso11 · 8 Oct 2007, 21:20 (Ref:2035333)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Piquet doesn't have links with Petrobras... .

Piquet does have links with Petrobras, he is Brazilian. Nevertheless you might recall a Piquet to replace Wurz rumour that came out earlier (midsummer-ish)

alonso11 · 8 Oct 2007, 21:24 (Ref:2035336)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

I'm wondering that if the Williams-Tonio link has any substAnce then he leaves STR early and does the last race with them and perhaps Seabass does the last race for STR?????

Brazil GP does clash with the Surfer's Paradise Champcar race, however it is doable. You can score a maximum of 34 points during a Champcar weekend and with two races to go, Seb has a 58 point advantage over Wilson . So even if he skips Austrialia, he can do the season finale with no less then 24 points ahead Justin. Far-fetched but doable.

JamesRamone · 8 Oct 2007, 21:34 (Ref:2035346)

Nakajima to take Hamilton out

Hazard · 8 Oct 2007, 21:38 (Ref:2035347)

Can I throw in Glock as a maybe?

Hazard · 8 Oct 2007, 21:39 (Ref:2035349)

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Originally Posted by alonso11

Brazil GP does clash with the Surfer's Paradise Champcar race, however it is doable. You can score a maximum of 34 points during a Champcar weekend and with two races to go, Seb has a 58 point advantage over Wilson . So even if he skips Austrialia, he can do the season finale with no less then 24 points ahead Justin. Far-fetched but doable.

I'm sure Bourdais would want to see out his season with RHR. However, if Liuzzi is on Williams shopping list (?) - I'm sure they could find someone in the Red Bull stable to have a one race stab in Brazil...dare they put Senna in the car?

Down F0rce · 8 Oct 2007, 21:54 (Ref:2035357)

I don't belive Senna is with Adren anymore, so perhaps the Red Bull link isn't there. Maybe it is he who will replace Wurz, although "Senna in a Williams" would be a bit of a PR double-edged sword...

If Luizzi does end up in the Williams (doubtful IMHO, at least for this race) Toro Rosso would probably get RBR tester Ammermuller to drive.

Hazard · 8 Oct 2007, 23:56 (Ref:2035406)

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Originally Posted by Down F0rce

I don't belive Senna is with Adren anymore, so perhaps the Red Bull link isn't there. Maybe it is he who will replace Wurz, although "Senna in a Williams" would be a bit of a PR double-edged sword...

If Luizzi does end up in the Williams (doubtful IMHO, at least for this race) Toro Rosso would probably get RBR tester Ammermuller to drive.

I'd be surprised to ever see Ammermuller in an F1 car.

Actually - considering Toro Rosso's game plan for Brazil will be to score as many points as possible and maybe beat Toyota, I doubt they'd let Liuzzi go considering he had top 8 finishes (sorta) in two races.

Williams need to defend against Red Bull as well - so why would Toro Rosso give them their driver?

Nakajima's a bit risky for a first F1 race and with a need for points, Glock has already proven himself with Jordan that he has good 'get up and go' and would be the ideal candidate in my opinion - that is, if I was Williams boss for a day and had to hire anyone (realistically), I'd choose him.

Though maybe Williams can borrow Piquet from Renault? More realistic local signing.

**Bononi** · 9 Oct 2007, 00:02 (Ref:2035408)

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Originally Posted by alonso11

Piquet does have links with Petrobras, he is Brazilian. Nevertheless you might recall a Piquet to replace Wurz rumour that came out earlier (midsummer-ish)

Piquet doesn't have link with Petrobras.

The fact that he is brazilian, I guess everybody knows that, doesn't make him have links with the company. Unless you can provide a reliable information about this "link", it doesn't exist. And the supposed replacement earlier was more because Briatore negotiations than anything, with a heavy help of Piquet senior as an old Frank Williams friend.

Marbot · 9 Oct 2007, 00:06 (Ref:2035411)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

I'd be surprised to ever see Ammermuller in an F1 car.

He actually drove one around the streets of Sao Paulo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhPZ8nHA17Q.

alonso11 · 9 Oct 2007, 00:33 (Ref:2035423)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Piquet doesn't have link with Petrobras.

The fact that he is brazilian, I guess everybody knows that, doesn't make him have links with the company. Unless you can provide a reliable information about this "link", it doesn't exist. And the supposed replacement earlier was more because Briatore negotiations than anything, with a heavy help of Piquet senior as an old Frank Williams friend.

its pretty pointless, but

1.) i did not talk about links to start with

if you did bother to read what i actually posted was:

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Although a Piquet debut on home soil might be something Petrobras would throw in a few extra $$$ for, it does seem a bit far-fetched.

if you can provide a reliable information that'd suggest Petrobras MIGHT NOT support such a move please dont hide it.

2.) being Brazilian IS a link in a sense

3.) The reality that you need to negotiate with Flav if you want Piquet is hardly the surprise of the century but would you provide a reliable information to support that these negotiations involved the least bit of the fact that Piquet's father knows Frank Williams ?

You seem to mention it as a fact. Did you take part in these negotiations? I'm dying to know what did they tell you about the financial aspects? Or it wouldn't have involved any money and the whole thing was based on Piquet Sr's and Sir Frank's friendship? odd. What i think tho is that it would have involved money (quite a large sum too), and that you and i dont know where that money coulda or woulda come from (possibly from sponsors or companies involved either at Renault's or William's side) but then again, i wasnt there.

**Bononi** · 9 Oct 2007, 00:52 (Ref:2035438)

I'm sorry Alonso11, as usual, you don't like a friendly discussion.

I'm not suggesting that you or myself are stating things as true. I read your post, and I simply pointed out that there is no link between the driver and the company. And when I asked you to provide is because maybe you knew something we don't, can you follow me ?
Why there is no link ? Because he's a brazilian, and Petrobras being brazilian would sponsor him... I don't think so.
You asking to prove the non-existence of a link ? Well, check his official site : http://www.piquetsports.com.br, if there's something about Petrobras there, at least it would be very strange, since ELF is one of his sponsors. But to help a little, the only brazilian sponsor there is OI a mobile phone company.
What else ?

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Originally Posted by alonso11

3.) The reality that you need to negotiate with Flav if you want Piquet is hardly the surprise of the century but would you provide a reliable information to support that these negotiations involved the least bit of the fact that Piquet's father knows Frank Williams ?

You seem to mention it as a fact. Did you take part in these negotiations? I'm dying to know what did they tell you about the financial aspects? Or it wouldn't have involved any money and the whole thing was based on Piquet Sr's and Sir Frank's friendship? odd. What i think tho is that it would have involved money (quite a large sum too), and that you and i dont know where that money coulda or woulda come from (possibly from sponsors or companies involved either at Renault's or William's side) but then again, i wasnt there.

This last part of your post, I found a little offensive, as I was merely speculating, as much you did with that Petrobras issue, I can't see no reason for you to write like this... so I'm expecting you to apologize for that bit.

Davhut · 9 Oct 2007, 00:53 (Ref:2035440)

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Can I throw in Glock as a maybe?

You don't have any of those in England!
We do, however, have more than a few here!

alonso11 · 9 Oct 2007, 01:23 (Ref:2035448)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I was merely speculating, as much you did with that Petrobras issue,.

what you actually said was:

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And the supposed replacement earlier was more because Briatore negotiations than anything, with a heavy help of Piquet senior as an old Frank Williams friend.

i really dont see anything to suggest that it is just a speculation of yours, do you? using words such as "might" (like i did) or "perhaps" or "i reckon" might make it a speculation, in this form it didnt sound like a speculation. then again, it might be because of linguistic barriers that i have to deal with as english is not my first language, nor is it the second. in that case i do appologize, it was in no way my intention to make you feel offended.

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