French GP at LeMans? - Page 2

Dauntless · 1 Oct 2003, 13:41 (Ref:736697)

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Originally posted by kdr
maybe we should start a lmes race to be held at monaco rumour!

Yes, that would be rich! And an LMES race at Monaco makes about as much sense as the just completed ALMS race on the streets of Miami -- i.e., NONE WHATSOEVER!

[The Miami ciruit was so rough the cars were jumping like WSC cars in Finland. What a joke! Not that Monaco is a joke, of course, but the circuit is simply unsuited to the cars...which I am confident was kdr's point.]

Fab · 1 Oct 2003, 14:16 (Ref:736735)

Monaco doesn't fit for sportscars : no place for merguez parties, no place for -pennyless- ten-tenths members meetings, no place to go, no nothing... "shake your jewelery" ! (Paul Mc Cartney ?)

rdjones · 1 Oct 2003, 17:39 (Ref:736943)

This might sound a bit daft but I have driven an Audi R8 round Monaco - only on a computer game mind and I have to say it was very hard work........

Fab · 2 Oct 2003, 05:51 (Ref:737489)

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Originally posted by rdjones
This might sound a bit daft but I have driven an Audi R8 round Monaco - only on a computer game mind and I have to say it was very hard work........

As far as you don't have to park it in the Grand Hôtel parking lot...

GTV27 · 2 Oct 2003, 06:03 (Ref:737498)

anything at Monaco is hard work (well, maybe a WRC Peugeot would be OK) - Le Mans cars at Monaco would be just ridiculous, but that's not a reason to try

In the GT2 world, I occasionly lap my Toyota GTone around MotorsportsLand for a giggle, but its not as fast as a full house Evo, and clearly an inappropriate choice.

pirenzo · 2 Oct 2003, 08:53 (Ref:737676)

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Originally posted by the_fury
As a tangental sort of point, does anyone have an idea what sort of time an F1 car might post around the FULL circuit? An educated guess perhaps?

Well, on the basis that F1 was about 15s faster round Silverstone 3 years ago, and how Sportscars have gained about 3-4 seconds around LM in those years (correct me if i'm wrong), whilst F1 is about 5 seconds faster now, i'd say that Over a lap they could be as much as 35-40 seconds faster. So around about 2m50-3m00 for a lap.

**Aysedasi** · 2 Oct 2003, 12:14 (Ref:737896)

They'd blow their engines before they got halfway round.......

ss_collins · 2 Oct 2003, 12:36 (Ref:737930)

no they wouldn't - I think about 3m for a lap - its gotta be done innit?

the_fury · 2 Oct 2003, 12:36 (Ref:737931)

ooh, I dunno – it'd be good to see one try though, couldn't one of teams lend out one of last year's, just for a laugh?!

Ahem, anyway, this is supposed to be a sportscar forum, I'll shut up.

**Aysedasi** · 2 Oct 2003, 12:54 (Ref:737956)

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Originally posted by ss_collins
no they wouldn't - I think about 3m for a lap - its gotta be done innit?

Some of them would. There's no way they'd run flat on the two sections of the Mulsanne and then from Mulsanne to Indianapolis flat out for long - without some serious changes. And the F1 teams think a quick blast around a couple of corners at Indy is something special?

Fab · 2 Oct 2003, 12:57 (Ref:737964)

BTW, Euroboss (early 90' F1) went to LM last year, on the Bugatti. But I wasn't there... or wasn't so much interrested

... I might be wrong :confused:...

Fab · 2 Oct 2003, 12:58 (Ref:737969)

Did you notice that the average speed at LM for 24 hours is not far from the average speed of a GP ?

I'm not advertising sportscars (no meaning in such a place !), just noticed that... the LMPs and LMGTPs are not so bad, aren't they ?

Mal · 2 Oct 2003, 14:46 (Ref:738124)

Also did snyone notice that the Sportscars were only a couple of second slower than Champcars at Miami. Which probably means that if the works cars were there then they would have been just as fast!

pirenzo · 2 Oct 2003, 15:39 (Ref:738160)

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Originally posted by Aysedasi
Some of them would. There's no way they'd run flat on the two sections of the Mulsanne and then from Mulsanne to Indianapolis flat out for long - without some serious changes.

They would.

But, i would never allow a Grand Prix car on the track.

It wouldn't be good for Sportscar publicity if they were thrashed around their own circuit would it?

Mal, Champ Cars are still quite a bit slower than F1. (not on Ovals though

)

I think a Sportscar is much more like a Champ Car anyway.

Fab, Le Mans has some whopping long straights, most F1 tracks don't. The Grand Prix cars wouldn't gain much in top end speed, but they would definitely smash the sportscars in the corners (i don't think it would be impossible for them to be flat through most of the Porsche Curves)

What is the average speed for LM out of interest, and we'll see how it compares to a track like Silverstone, which is sorta similar in nature (though not as fast obviously)

Mal · 2 Oct 2003, 16:40 (Ref:738232)

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Originally posted by pirenzo
They would.

Mal, Champ Cars are still quite a bit slower than F1. (not on Ovals though)

I

Not that much if the times from Montreal are anything to go by - about 5 secs I think

Mal · 2 Oct 2003, 16:42 (Ref:738236)

And you are right the time difference at lemans would not be as great due to the similar top speeds and the abount of time at full throttle. But obviously F1 are far faster on the brakes and in the corners.

krt917 · 2 Oct 2003, 17:31 (Ref:738281)

Yes, and they probably would be quicker down the straights too because they get there faster. Apparently, Schuey's Ferrari was doing 225-230mph at the end of the main straight at Monza and it's not THAT long!

I'm afraid that I think the days of Sportscars being quicker than F1 machiney have passed. Just as an aside, however, I was amused to recall after all the hype about the fastest F1 Championship race ever at Monza that the Gulf 917s averaged more than that at Spa in the 1000km race in 1971 - with driver changes etc. And they blew the comtemporary F1 record apart by something in the region of 11 seconds!!!

pirenzo · 2 Oct 2003, 18:00 (Ref:738313)

Yeah, but Spa was always faster than Monza remember.

Fab · 3 Oct 2003, 05:49 (Ref:738806)

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Originally posted by pirenzo
Fab, Le Mans has some whopping long straights, most F1 tracks don't. The Grand Prix cars wouldn't gain much in top end speed, but they would definitely smash the sportscars in the corners (i don't think it would be impossible for them to be flat through most of the Porsche Curves)

Yes indeed, I should have ad a

to my post...

The sportscars are slower, no question about it, but in sportscars there's "car", in F1 there's... huh... help me on this...

I just noticed that a sportscars race is not a walk in the country, thing that F1 rulers would like to make us think

Mal · 3 Oct 2003, 06:28 (Ref:738834)

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Originally posted by krt917
Yes, and they probably would be quicker down the straights too because they get there faster. Apparently, Schuey's Ferrari was doing 225-230mph at the end of the main straight at Monza and it's not THAT long!

Its not that long but the corner onto it is taken at 150mph, none of the corners onto straight at LeMans are that fast.

I am not suggesting that Sportscars are faster than F1, but they would be closer if the rules on tyres, brakes and weight were similar, as they were in the 60's and early 70's.

pirenzo · 3 Oct 2003, 07:05 (Ref:738870)

Well, they were hardly equal then.

But i would have be horrified if the 917 wasn't faster under all circumstances than one of it's F1 counterparts.
It might have been heavier, but it had much more power.

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