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23 Apr 2002, 20:30 (Ref:268822) | #26 | ||
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Nurburgring Imola Why should Italy and Germany have two grand prix's? what makes them so special? We put in their places Zanddvort Estoril Two really cool tracks, should never have been dropped in my opinion. And we move these races to different circuits Silverstone is dropped for Donington Park Magny Cours is dropped for Paul Ricard And Silverstone and Magny Cours are , Donington Park and Paul Ricard are much better Last edited by OVERSTEER; 23 Apr 2002 at 20:35. |
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Move the British GP to Rockingham and run on the oval.
French GP to Paul Ricard (long version, not short version) German GP back to long Hockenheim or Sachsenring San Marino GP to Misano. How about a Africas GP at Welkom |
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23 Apr 2002, 20:49 (Ref:268847) | #28 | ||
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Alot of these tracks are just fantasies, unless they're destroyed by Chicanes.
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Mountains of Aida and the melancholy of Estoril
Dear M Power, Cos, DNQ, OVERSTEER,
The mountains surrounding the circuit - quite a spectacular backdrop - was the only good thing about Aida! One aspect which I never understood, though, were complains like "so you wanted to go and see a race there it was 150 miles from the nearest big city and then 12 miles up the mountains to the circuit..." How important is this? This sounds like a typical Mr. Ron "I'm so spoiled" Dennis statement. Oversteer, you mentioned Estoril. Sadly, this is another circuit that his been maimed by FIA. The chicane in the Curva do Tanque (installed after Alex Caffi's crash) has never been removed, regardless of promises by the circuit owners. The fantastic Turn 1 - a fast, open, unique downhill challenge - was replaced by a dull hairpin. Additionally, Turn 2 had its radius tightened. I once had the pleasure of having a letter of mine published by Autosport - sadly, it was about these lay-out changes to Estoril. The track is just not the same anymore. Estoril has been chopped, severed and mauled. As I wrote to Autosport years ago, "a track's lay-out is sacred. If it is to be made safer, thou shall increase its run-off areas". I recognize that the topography surrounding Estoril would make it tricky, but it was never to be an impossible job. Estoril today is like a fado - a Portuguese music style with melancholic songs that celebrate "saudade", "a feeling or state of mind that cannot be translated", a profound, deep longing for things that are no longer the same. Another great track is gone. Muzza |
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I don't think any track can replace HH.Sorry.Glad I have you wonderful people who agree with me
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24 Apr 2002, 09:04 (Ref:269164) | #31 | ||
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DNQ I think ttaida is a great track its flowing fast but tech as well plenty of overtaking spots I like it I would perfer tt to monaco
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Good Tracks - Silverstone, Suzuka, Monza, Hockenheim
Rubbish tracks - Magny Cours, Hungaroring, Monte Carlo Tracks I'd love to see - Zandvoort, Kyalami (the old one), Paul Ricard, Osterreichring, Adelaide, Interlagos (the old one), Le Mans (the proper track minus the chicanes on the Mulanne Straight) |
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Australian GP- Albert Park or Adelaide
Malaysian GP- Sepang Brazilian GP- Rio Spanish GP- Jerez or Barcelona Monaco GP- Monte Carlo (Just in case anyone had any doubts!) European GP At tracks that change from year to year South African GP- Kyalami or Welkom Canadian GP- Montreal Dutch GP-Zandvoort French GP- Paul Ricard British GP- Donington Park Austrian GP- A1 Ring German GP- Hockenheim or Nurburgring US GP- Indianapolis Italian GP- Monza Portuguese GP- Estoril Japanese GP- Sukuka Races that have two circuits mentioned, alternate like Brands Hatch and Silverstone did |
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Australian GP - Adelaide. The spritual home of the Oz GP
Brazilian GP - Jacarapagua South African GP - Old Kyalami (with that fearsome front straight) Spanish GP - Anyone remember Montjuich Park? (Terribly unsafe though) Portuguese GP - The un-emasculated Estoril Monaco GP - It has to be on there. I don't really know why. French GP - Clermont-Ferrand or Dijon British GP - Brands Hatch German GP - How about Avus? Seriously, leave Hockenheim alone Austrian GP - Osterreichring (NOT the A1-Ring) Dutch GP - Zandvoort Canadian GP - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve Italian GP - Monza US GP - Road America Mexican GP - Hermanos Rodriguez (now that was a racetrack!) Japanese GP - Suzuka |
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Brazil - Interlagos ('73-'80)
USA 1 - Elkhart Lake Canada - Montreal San Marino - Imola ('80-'94) Spain - Jerez France - Paul Ricard ('71 - '85) Britain - Brands Hatch Germany - Hockenheim Holland - Zandvoort Belgium - Spa Italy - Monza (minus chicanes except Ascari + old Lesmo's) Portugal - Estoril ('84-'96) South Africa - Kyalami (pre '85) USA 2 - Long Beach (the way it is now - last CART race was amazing) Japan - Suzuka Australia - Adelaide (it was the perfect end to the season) |
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Don't forget the 1969 race when Rindt crashed into his teammate Hills' wreckage...It was a lovely but terribley dangerous place.
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if only he had been sitting on the other side of the car
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24 Apr 2002, 12:55 (Ref:269357) | #43 | |
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Australian GP- Albert Park or Adelaide - ok
Malaysian GP- Sepang - excellent track Brazilian GP- Rio - ok Spanish GP- Jerez or Barcelona - ok Monaco GP- Monte Carlo - This is not a track it is a junk road South African GP- Kyalami or Welkom - ok Canadian GP- Montreal - ok Dutch GP-Zandvoort - ok French GP- Paul Ricard - ok British GP- Donington Park - ok Austrian GP- A1 Ring - ok German GP- Hockenheim or Nurburgring - ok / ko US GP- Indianapolis - ok Italian GP- Monza - ok Portuguese GP- Estoril - ok Japanese GP- Sukuka - ok arios ............. |
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F1 Manoz and Oversteer,
Could you please elaborate more on your preference for Jacarepagua - rather than Interlagos? Jacarepagua is not a bad track at all - it is actually much better than today's F-1 circuits - but... - it is almost totally flat, whereas Interlagos shows daunting elevation changes (just try to pedal your bicycle around the track...) - most of Jacarepagua corners have similar apexes - so, although the circuit had maybe the smoothest flow in all season, it is not a technical one. - all corners have constant radius. It is not that demanding. I found quite difficult to prefer Jacarepagua - but, hey, you are obviously entitled to your opinion! I just wanted to know why, in your standpoint, it is better than Interlagos. Regards, Muzza |
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Fair question Muzza.
I was only choosing between the modern Interlagos and Jacarapagua. My memories of Jacarapagua are of a superbly fast motor racing circuit, nice and wide and with plenty of fast corners, plus a long back straight which produced plenty of passing. The modern Interlagos, IMO, is fairly bland. A couple of quick corners, but it's not awe inspiring. The infield section is what really lets the circuit down. The older Interlagos circuit from the 1970s would have got my vote had I cast my mind back That was a mans circuit (as they all were in those days). |
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The trouble with this is that twe all focus our attention on circuit layout and history (quite rightly) - but, as can be seen with the example ofbrands Hatch, these factors alone are not enough to run a GP... Access, facilities and money are more important, since without these no profitable race can be held at all.
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Well in Rio you don't have team personel getting robbed at cash points by people from the nearby Fevelas, and from what I see about Jacarepagua is fast straights and fast corners with close racing. And as a plus a massive beach nearby with lots of women on it And if I was to attend a GP in the future, Brazil at the moment wouldn't be on the list but if Jacarepagua was there then maybe i'd change my mind. Last edited by OVERSTEER; 24 Apr 2002 at 14:47. |
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If we couldn't get the South African GP, then if they weren't in so much **** then I would like another Argentinian GP at Beunos Aires.
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