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Nice to see a British Team taking part. I hope they do well.
Makes sense I guess, seeing as they had visions of eventually racing in WTCC when they were Tempus Sport, so its a logical step for them. It'll be interesting to see how they go compared to the Perfection Racing guys. Looking back at last year - the entry list was revealed about a week before first practise, so hopefully we'll get a full list and a few more announcements over the rest of the week/ the weekend. Hartmann Honda still have Braga down on their schedule on their website - hopefully we'll see another 2 or 3 of the big guns from the DTC, STCC or BTCC |
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We have our first BMW as well:
PTCC leader Fontes enters ETC Cup http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=4113 |
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would be great to see some works teams with big drivers take part in one of these years a bit like the first year it took place
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I indeed would love to see The Volvo's, Flash and Westcoast BMW against Vauxhall, RML Chevy and RAC BMW. It would help if the ETCC could be broadcasted on the same channel that does the BTCC, or if Eurosport would have more coverage in Britain.
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Unless they heavily subsidise transport costs, I can't see that happening. BTCC teams were reluctant enough to go to Ireland for Mondello, never mind Portugal and I understand that was subsidised to a degree.
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I can imagine that for the privateers. But the big teams with big sponsorship interests do not only look at costs. If they are smart, and I think they are, they compare the costs of an extra race far away, to the potential benefits in terms of mediaattention. Currently the costs are not extreme I think. They offcourse have quite large transportationcosts, but they are not that large compared to the costs of running a team anyway. And they have the cars anyway, so since the teams are in the business of making money by racing cars, an extra race would be a chance to make more money.
Currently the benefits are not interesting though. A regular BTCC-meeting will get a much larger Britisch TV-audience compared to the ETCC broadcasted on Eurosport. But if the races where broadcasted on ITV, they would probably reach a similar, or even larger audience. And that is what counts for the sponsors of the large teams. Although I must admit, another important part of the sponsorship, ie hospitality, is more difficult to arrange in Portugal than in the UK. It is quite expensive to fly your guests to the other end of Europe, and in these days it is questionable if it is responsible business. (Although everybody would love a weekend in Portugal this time of the year I guess.) I don't know how important the posibility of hospitality is for sponsors as Vauxhall, Aon or Rac compared to the number of people seeing their brand on tv. The same goes offcourse for Sweden. and I every year see a few Swedisch teams competing, compared to few if any Britisch. My best guess is that Eurosport is a much more popular channel in Sweden than in the UK. Am I correct? |
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17 Oct 2009, 12:36 (Ref:2563209) | #34 | |
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There's now a (preliminary?) entry list up on the ETCC site: 18 cars so far, 13 S2000, 3 Production and 1 S1600
5x Lacetti: 1: Perfection Racing (Nykjaer) 7,8: Maurer Motorsport (Vincent Radermecker, Jose Monroy) 9,10: Bamboo Engineering (da Costa, Vaulkhard) 3x Honda 2: Engstrom Motorsport (Engstrom) 11,12: Hartmann Honda Racing (Thompson, Poulsen) 3x BMW 3,4: Liqui Moly Team Engstler (Urmas Kitsing, Franz Engstler) 14: Sports & You (Fontes) 2x SEAT 5: SEAT Sport- presumably SUNRED? (Michelisz) 6: Veloso Motorsport (Carvalho) Production & S1600 21: Marcis Birkens (AV Sport Civic Type R) 22: Nikolay Karamishev (Sport Garage Golf) 23: Mikhail Zasadych (Sport Garage BMW) 31: Carsten Seifert (NK Racing Fiesta ST) http://www.fiaetcc.com/2k9/entryList.asp Last edited by KA; 17 Oct 2009 at 12:41. Reason: added link |
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He's not a privateer at all. Car being run by SEAT.
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He is considered to be a privateer by the organisation as SUNRED is a privateer team in the WTCC, co-operating with SEAT.
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24 Oct 2009, 15:56 (Ref:2568744) | #39 | ||
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I'll eat my words. Michelisz has taken pole.
Thommo's got work to do from 6th. My money's on Engstler |
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Race start in few minutes
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25 Oct 2009, 12:01 (Ref:2569289) | #41 | |
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Engstler not with the regular Liqui Moly colors.
Damp track. The Honda Accord is old but still a great looking racing car. |
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25 Oct 2009, 12:10 (Ref:2569297) | #42 | |
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Eurosport UK aren't showing race 1 - only race 2, totally pointless
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25 Oct 2009, 12:11 (Ref:2569298) | #43 | |
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Race 1 is live on ES2
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25 Oct 2009, 12:12 (Ref:2569299) | #44 | |
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We've got a load of monkies talking about World Superbike - they don't have a race until 12:30
They could of cut to the ETC and come back, instead they are talking for about 30 minutes between the races They are also treating us to live skiing on both Eurosport 1 and the HD channel. Eurosport are a strange channel, with 2 UK drivers in the field it makes more sense to show both races than it has for the past few years Last edited by Jon411; 25 Oct 2009 at 12:22. |
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Race 1
1. Michelisz 2. Engstler 3. Thompson 4. Nykjaer 5. Vaulkhard 6. Monroy 7. Carvalho 8. Da Costa 9. Engstrom 10. Kitsing |
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25 Oct 2009, 12:51 (Ref:2569321) | #46 | ||
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You're allowed in if your national sports body sponsors you.
The rules aren't made to particularly force anybody out from the event. Michelisz wins the first race for SEAT. Engstler close behind, then Thommo then Nykjaer. Bamboo Engineering have pole for race two with Felix Da Costa. It's going to be close between Thompson and Nykjaer I reckon, unless Michelisz now proves he can race as well as lead. |
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25 Oct 2009, 12:59 (Ref:2569325) | #47 | |
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I'd throw Engstler in as well as the BMW should be good off the start
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25 Oct 2009, 14:07 (Ref:2569351) | #48 | |
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That first corner was quite entertaining.
Well done to Thompson. Engstrom had a good race 3 as well Lets hope that they go for a track a bit more north next year to try and interest a few more teams, that and Eurosport doing proper coverage (like you guys in Europe seem to have had) of both races - as it doesn't exactly do much for the sponsors otherwise. |
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Good showing from Vaulkhard I thought but Thompson's sheer class shone through again in the Accord. At least he's won something this year!
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25 Oct 2009, 16:51 (Ref:2569446) | #50 | |
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After getting caught in the first corner confusing it was a storming drive by Thompson - from 9th at the end of lap 1 to nearly 3 seconds in front at the flag.
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