[Official] Rate the race- Italian Grand Prix

[QnickFTW]

Originally Posted by AussieTimmeh

Has anyone done a chart comparing how this years races compare to last years,

Yea mate, this is how it compares to last year. Sorry

[deeks6]

Originally Posted by QnickFTW

Yea mate, this is how it compares to last year. Sorry

was just about to say ... whats the difference????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPnQC3eEYqg

Answer: Vettel kept his boot in it ... gutsed it out, got it done and didnt moan like a baby

Q: You were given a drive-through penalty for forcing Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso off the track. Was it justified? Last year you and Alonso tangled too…
SV: I obviously should have complained last year, just as he did today. For sure I was frustrated as it cost me dearly but now it is water under the bridge. As I said I didn’t complain last year and I won’t in the future. That’s not my way of going about things.

KUDOS

[Greem]

I gave it an 8. Overtaking at Monza, some of it pretty ballsy.

And Vettel's penalty, although I felt a little unfair, was rendered irrelevant due to his mechanical problem.

[AussieTimmeh]

Originally Posted by QnickFTW

Yea mate, this is how it compares to last year. Sorry

Aaah, nice picture comparison, but I meant the scores that we the fans are rating the races at, not the Alonso Vettel incident.

In regards to that incident, I think Martin put it well when he said that comparing it to last year is meaningless because they are trying to present a tougher front to stamp out dangerous driving this year. Regardless of what has been allowable in the past, this is the new standard - harshly penalise dangerous driving. Which is why Grosjean wasn't racing.

[TrapezeArtist]

Another 8 pointer.

I find it odd that I seem to be in the minority in thinking that Vettel's penalty was justified. Alonso had a overlap with him and he didn't give him (Alonso) room. Nothing more to be said. It doesn't matter whether it was deliberate or not. It doesn't matter whether Vettel was taking the same line that he always takes. It doesn't even matter what happened last year.

And di Resta should have had a penalty too, for the move on Senna. I am slightly heartened that the stewards seem to be maintaining a consistent stance re Vettel, following Fat John's penalty in Spa. I am also dismayed that they let the di Resta one through when I thought he was banged to rights.

On a more positive note, it was a fine performance by McLaren (except for the reliability of JB's car), Hamilton, Sauber and Perez. Ferrari as usual performed better at Monza than anywhere else. (Conspiracy theory, anyone?)

[bjohnsonsmith]

I liked to have watched it live but even with highlights it looked like a good race. 7

[deeks6]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Another 8 pointer.

I find it odd that I seem to be in the minority in thinking that Vettel's penalty was justified. Alonso had a overlap with him and he didn't give him (Alonso) room. Nothing more to be said. It doesn't matter whether it was deliberate or not. It doesn't matter whether Vettel was taking the same line that he always takes. It doesn't even matter what happened last year.

And di Resta should have had a penalty too, for the move on Senna. I am slightly heartened that the stewards seem to be maintaining a consistent stance re Vettel, following Fat John's penalty in Spa. I am also dismayed that they let the di Resta one through when I thought he was banged to rights.

On a more positive note, it was a fine performance by McLaren (except for the reliability of JB's car), Hamilton, Sauber and Perez. Ferrari as usual performed better at Monza than anywhere else. (Conspiracy theory, anyone?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtg4xGvFI18

I'm totally against dangerous or dirty driving but this is neither - its good racing and taking a chance. The only difference between 2012 and 2011 is that, if anything, Vettel started his move slightly earlier and FA would have had more of a sighting than Seb did this year. NEITHER incident deserved a penalty because the following drivers were making ambitious moves. The lead drivers were simply driving their normal line through that section (and the pursuants would well know that) ... the difference was it (was made to) stuck last year and it didnt this year. Perhaps the only difference being the size of the testicles of the said drivers?

I'm not an Alonso knocker, the guy is a champion, but this was total BS. So many incidents go without notice and even non-dangerous cheating ones (like the Hulkenberg/Webber farce Monza) get the seal of approval.

[dsg]

Maybe I was expecting more but I thought it was a very average race. 5.

[stripedcat]

Another 8/10 from me. Although Lewis went away with a relatively easy win, there was plenty of overtaking down the grid. Some of it around the outside. Good stuff.

[IceMan_PJN]

I gave it an 8. It was a pretty solid race with some interesting developments, but I chose not to rate it higher because it could technically have been even better, but that would be asking for a lot.

Originally Posted by stripedcat

Another 8/10 from me. Although Lewis went away with a relatively easy win, there was plenty of overtaking down the grid. Some of it around the outside. Good stuff.

Perez actually gave him a bit of a run, but I don't know how conservative Lewis might have been playing it. Even at the end when Perez was gaining on him at something like a second per lap (or thereabouts), Lewis knew he had enough of a lead that he wouldn't have to worry about it, as the laps would run out before the gap would be closed. Perez did threaten him, though.

[GT6]

good race but seemed to lack som of the excitement of recent races gave it a 6

[sparkione]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Another 8 pointer.

(Conspiracy theory, anyone?)

Ferraris always go better at Monza. It is an immutable law of nature...

McLarens, however, usually both finish. Personalities aside, I can well imagine some at Woking keen to help Lulu to another WDC and another long-term contract. JB's 'fuel starvation' problem might therefore be viewed as an unfortunate, unavoidable but timely contribution to this. LH effectively retrieves the 25 points he lost to JB at Spa, and team 'orders' (or polite suggestions) become that much easier to justify.

That said, my hunch is JB's team would rather walk the plank than nobble their man, were such an order ever to be given. Which I doubt it was. Very convenient, none the less...

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by sparkione

Ferraris always go better at Monza. It is an immutable law of nature...

McLarens, however, usually both finish. Personalities aside, I can well imagine some at Woking keen to help Lulu to another WDC and another long-term contract. JB's 'fuel starvation' problem might therefore be viewed as an unfortunate, unavoidable but timely contribution to this. LH effectively retrieves the 25 points he lost to JB at Spa, and team 'orders' (or polite suggestions) become that much easier to justify.

That said, my hunch is JB's team would rather walk the plank than nobble their man, were such an order ever to be given. Which I doubt it was. Very convenient, none the less...

How many seconds behind Lewis was Button, when he retired?

[Hesketh]

Good race, gave it a 8. Really disappointed with Jenson tech failure and annoyed by the usual FerrariMafia though.

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by sparkione

JB's 'fuel starvation' problem might therefore be viewed as an unfortunate, unavoidable but timely contribution to this. LH effectively retrieves the 25 points he lost to JB at Spa, and team 'orders' (or polite suggestions) become that much easier to justify.

That said, my hunch is JB's team would rather walk the plank than nobble their man, were such an order ever to be given. Which I doubt it was. Very convenient, none the less...

I know Trapeze artist asked for a conspiracy theory,but

I don't think McL are very likely to damage their Constructor's chances to aid lewis who didn't appear to need any help, anyway....

Only saw the Beeb highlights, but it seemed a good race, with plenty of good racing and overtakes......Gave it an 8.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by sparkione

Ferraris always go better at Monza. It is an immutable law of nature...

It might be the "red energy" of the place...

[Neil22]

10. Love Monza, even with the history.

[kober]

Good race. Although, it would be even better if Monza didn't have any DRS sections

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

9/10, purely for the joy of watching Vettel fail.

That's what did it for me (9/10) as well. Great race as usual, plenty of passing, drama, and good action, and, best of all, I got second overall in the predictions competition.

[Razzzor]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

How many seconds behind Lewis was Button, when he retired?

I think it was just over 12 seconds after the stops, but he was closing. Think he got to about 10 seconds. Lewis was cruising after the stops though - his lap times in the first stint were consistently faster than everyone.

[Razzzor]

0 from me because Vettel retired and Schumi drifted back, hehe.

Would have been great if Hamilton had retired instead of Button, because I think Perez would have caught and passed Button and taken his first win, which he certainly deserves. Why Ferrari wouldn't replace Massa with him would boggle the mind, if they don't.

What the heck are Sauber doing in qualifying anyway? If Perez had qualified at the front he would have dominated the race with his pace.

Big change in the title race though... and lucky escape for Alonso with Vettel retiring. Can Hamilton now catch Alonso? The Red Bull isn't fast enough to close 40 points without Alonso having some more problems, but the McLaren could be.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

0 from me because Vettel retired and Schumi drifted back, hehe.

Would have been great if Hamilton had retired instead of Button, because I think Perez would have caught and passed Button and taken his first win, which he certainly deserves. Why Ferrari wouldn't replace Massa with him would boggle the mind, if they don't.

What the heck are Sauber doing in qualifying anyway? If Perez had qualified at the front he would have dominated the race with his pace.

Big change in the title race though... and lucky escape for Alonso with Vettel retiring. Can Hamilton now catch Alonso? The Red Bull isn't fast enough to close 40 points without Alonso having some more problems, but the McLaren could be.

Rather pointless...

[dsg]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Rather pointless...

His comment or yours?

[Marbot]

8. Very good for something that, a few years ago, would normally have been a procession.

Vettel penalty deserved. Alonso seems to have it all going for himself, right now.

Probably would have won were it not for qualifying glitch.

[Mekola]

7. Pérez deserved more, but Lewis as a winner at tifosis home was not bad.