Who is the fastest F1 driver of all time - Page 2

The Fat Clerk · 31 Dec 2012, 15:04 (Ref:3183314)

Can I add - in the wet, and then add H.J.Stuck

FAS33 · 31 Dec 2012, 15:05 (Ref:3183315)

I am the best F1 driver.....on the xbox

**Bononi** · 31 Dec 2012, 16:59 (Ref:3183339)

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Does he still hold the fastest race lap record, Bon?

I'm not sure he does but he had it in a long time...

chunder · 31 Dec 2012, 17:37 (Ref:3183345)

I would say Ayrton was perhaps the fastest, Clark fairly close to him, Rindt maybe too. Maybe of the current crop Seb, but not until he has driven something else!

A few others near, Gilles, Fernando, Lewis, Hakkinen.

But I think you can only look at Ayrton, I would not rate him as the best racer, but certainly the fastest there has been so far, and importantly I think he proved himself in many cars, turbo, NA, normal gears, semi auto, wet etc etc.

Livery · 31 Dec 2012, 18:19 (Ref:3183355)

I'm really surprised no one has said Verstappen yet

TF110 · 31 Dec 2012, 20:05 (Ref:3183390)

I think of the current drivers it's Hamilton. He's been consistently faster than his teammates. And even in his Rookie season was equally quick with Alonso. His ability to get more than what others can in the same car stands out. And in 09 with a 5th fastest car at best, he was still in the hunt for podiums and wins (the car did improve somewhat through the year though). I can't say about the older generation, too many to list. Shumacher in his day, Senna, Prost, even Juan Pablo Montoya could be listed.

**Aysedasi** · 31 Dec 2012, 20:57 (Ref:3183401)

As the OP asked who was the fastest 'of all time', everyone knows what I'm going to say......

Jacques Rabbit · 31 Dec 2012, 23:10 (Ref:3183419)

To begin to answer, one would have had to have seen every Grand Prix driver race. Very few have.

One would then have to have a way to separate the driver from the car, which in car racing, is not possible (and never should be...a car can interest me much more than a stranger in a helmet driving one can...).

Haven't seen many F1 drivers who were "slow," either, so that's another difficulty added.

At the end of the day, there's a case to be made for the guy with the most poles being the fastest and the guy with the most WDCs being the greatest. Not because they are flawless, but because they are the least horrible of measures for that thing as they reflect the goals (in qualifying, to be the fastest, and in racing, to win the championship). Thus, accomplishing them the most (or with the most frequency, if one prefers), makes one the best...

There's also a case for not being so bound to statistics, too.

formerf1champ · 31 Dec 2012, 23:41 (Ref:3183423)

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Originally Posted by nicanary

What exactly does "fast" mean in this context?

My own conclusion is that the outright fastest, is the guy who would set the quickest single lap, in dry, neutral conditions, in a neutral handling car.

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Originally Posted by JohnSSC

Does he still hold the fastest race lap record, Bon?

MOntoya has definitely beaten him since, at Monza, in the Williams one time. I'm not confident to say he's been beaten since.

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Originally Posted by hannabyjj

No it's definitely not in order and yes prost was quick but I feel his strengths like button almost lay more in the race

Does anything else really matter, though?

formerf1champ · 31 Dec 2012, 23:41 (Ref:3183424)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Alan van der Mewe...Fastest F1 driver of all time on land.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/21/h...at-bonneville/

And you all thought I was just a pretty face..

Like I said on the cricket thread...

hannabyjj · 1 Jan 2013, 00:09 (Ref:3183431)

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Originally Posted by formerf1champ

My own conclusion is that the outright fastest, is the guy who would set the quickest single lap, in dry, neutral conditions, in a neutral handling car.

MOntoya has definitely beaten him since, at Monza, in the Williams one time. I'm not confident to say he's been beaten since.

Does anything else really matter, though?

Well yeah because if you are slow in quali but good in the race you might have to start at 10th so won't have as good a Grand Prix as a guy who
Is quicker and starts 1st and is similar in the race.

Marbot · 1 Jan 2013, 02:57 (Ref:3183462)

Quite.

Jacques Rabbit · 1 Jan 2013, 04:10 (Ref:3183468)

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Originally Posted by hannabyjj

Well yeah because if you are slow in quali but good in the race you might have to start at 10th so won't have as good a Grand Prix as a guy who
Is quicker and starts 1st and is similar in the race.

The majority (barely) of Alonso's wins aren't from pole. Sure, you'd like the driver who gets the Grand Slam, but as long as he or she is on the top step of the podium by Sunday's end, good enough.

Fast is good, but hard to isolate from all the other variables, and ultimately, not necessary to, as the "fastest" doesn't always get the prize.

**Aysedasi** · 1 Jan 2013, 11:26 (Ref:3183517)

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Originally Posted by Jacques Rabbit

The majority (barely) of Alonso's wins aren't from pole. Sure, you'd like the driver who gets the Grand Slam, but as long as he or she is on the top step of the podium by Sunday's end, good enough.

Fast is good, but hard to isolate from all the other variables, and ultimately, not necessary to, as the "fastest" doesn't always get the prize.

But who wins the prize wasn't the question - the question was who was the fastest, so the variables are of no consequence in this thread, as far as I can see.....

Marbot · 1 Jan 2013, 11:43 (Ref:3183523)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Quite.

This post now makes no sense at all. Thanks Adam. Happy New Year!

**Aysedasi** · 1 Jan 2013, 14:03 (Ref:3183553)

I thought you were asking for silence, dyslexically........

Jacques Rabbit · 1 Jan 2013, 14:45 (Ref:3183558)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

But who wins the prize wasn't the question - the question was who was the fastest, so the variables are of no consequence in this thread, as far as I can see.....

Right, but I was wondering why we need to isolate the fastest, when being the fastest on its own does not have large bearing on what's important in F1.

**Adam43** · 1 Jan 2013, 17:24 (Ref:3183577)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

This post now makes no sense at all. Thanks Adam. Happy New Year!

How do you explain the other 21,676? Happy New Year

BSchneiderFan · 1 Jan 2013, 17:50 (Ref:3183581)

Impossible question, but the answer is still Jim Clark.

Matt · 1 Jan 2013, 18:01 (Ref:3183583)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I'm not sure he does but he had it in a long time...

JPM beat it, iirc.

**Aysedasi** · 1 Jan 2013, 18:44 (Ref:3183592)

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Originally Posted by Jacques Rabbit

Right, but I was wondering why we need to isolate the fastest.....

Because that's what the OP asked!

kartincolin · 1 Jan 2013, 21:13 (Ref:3183637)

Due to the nature of the sport, this is something that will be debated on forums like this for decades to come and there will never be a clear cut decision on how truly is the fastest driver based on personal opinion.

However, it is an immensely enjoyable topic and I will throw my hat into the ring with Jim Clark

**Aysedasi** · 1 Jan 2013, 21:25 (Ref:3183647)

Substituting Senna for Clark

phoenix · 1 Jan 2013, 22:30 (Ref:3183665)

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Originally Posted by kartincolin

Due to the nature of the sport, this is something that will be debated on forums like this for decades to come and there will never be a clear cut decision on how truly is the fastest driver based on personal opinion.

I would go further... it is impossible for anyone to know, so any proposition that driver a) is the fastest rather than driver b) being the fastest is quite ridiculous...

And to anyone who DARE say I am not taking the fun side of this argument into consideration, I am simply being as objective as Michael Schumacher would be - if he didn't have an ego too...

cerdic · 3 Jan 2013, 09:11 (Ref:3184119)

My guess would be, in no particular order....

Nuvolari, Clark, Senna.

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