Ralf WINS ! What a RACE! - Page 2

Raoul Duke · 17 Mar 2002, 09:22 (Ref:237174)

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Originally posted by calais
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:confused: your not serious are you???
if MS and JPM did not have that coming together{which was clearly schui's fault}, halfie would have been lucky to have finished third{ had rubens not retired}

You can nitpick all you want. Fact remains, Ralf won the race. I didn't see anybody nitpicking TGF's victory in Melbourn when a lot of his main competitors retired from the race, or even his Malaysia victory last year when he clearly was on a better tire strategy then the rest of the field. It was all "well done Micheal, Micheal is king". Why can't you handle the fact that Ralf won fair and sqaure today

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Don K · 17 Mar 2002, 09:23 (Ref:237175)

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Originally posted by Spudgun
Granted, it was a legal move, but it was still damnright dangerous. He'd planned that move before he'd dropped the clutch..

What else could he have done?
He was starting from pole position, on the left side, facing a right hand turn. So he knew he had to come to the right at a certain point.
If you do it right at the start, it probably causes less problems for the drivers starting behind you. Besides, this way the drivers behind know that the leader will not make another swerve, as that would be illegal. So the number two nows he has to choose between staying behind the leader or trying to overtake him on the left side.

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:23 (Ref:237179)

Ralf finished 39 secs ahead of JPM in the end. JPM lost 34 secs plus the time spent battling throught the field twice. JPM would have won today.

Nicholas · 17 Mar 2002, 09:24 (Ref:237181)

Ruben's engine had to blow again

Mania · 17 Mar 2002, 09:26 (Ref:237183)

This just re-enforces the fact that monty fans are sore losers and whiners!!

Who cares though!

Ralf WON. And the championship is alive.!

Raoul Duke · 17 Mar 2002, 09:26 (Ref:237184)

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Originally posted by Damon
Ralf finished 39 secs ahead of JPM in the end. JPM lost 34 secs plus the time spent battling throught the field twice. JPM would have won today.

Got your calculator handy I see, Damon. If you feel so compelled to nipick then why not simply say that TGF would have won had it not been for the first coner incident. Yes I agree that withought the penalty it would have been closer. But to say that Juan would have definitely beat Ralf.....please .........

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:27 (Ref:237186)

Just look at the facts Mania!!! This just proves Ralf fans are forced to clutch at straws when celebrating a victory.

DavyboyLT1 · 17 Mar 2002, 09:27 (Ref:237187)

Ferrari had better come up with a better way of getting into the corner first, rather than TGF's "chop" or RB's weaving.
If they can't beat the Williams' in a drag race, the sporting thing to do would be to try passing them after the 1st turn.

Mr V · 17 Mar 2002, 09:27 (Ref:237188)

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Originally posted by Mania

LOL. Did you ever take Maths? Montoya was on a two stopper as was Michael. Ralf was on a one stop strategy and was easily keeping up with the Ferrari plus he was lapping just a few tenths off the two stoppers at the back - Schumacher and Montoya.

hiya mania, we meet again

do you honestly think the outcome would have been the same if jpm (and tgf maybe?) had been out front leading and not having to overtake all those slower cars?

i'm not saying your wrong, but it's something that was not a foregone conclusion if the first corner hadn't happened!

(i eagerly await ya reply

)

Lazarus · 17 Mar 2002, 09:28 (Ref:237191)

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Originally posted by Don K
Besides, this way the drivers behind know that the leader will not make another swerve, as that would be illegal.

Did you miss Australia? apparently it isn't illegal for Ferrari... or else RB would've been penalised in some manner.

and yes, I am bitter... Decisions like today make me wonder if it's actually worth it to continue to watch these championships when the FIA blatently want Ferrari to win

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:28 (Ref:237193)

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Originally posted by Raoul Duke

But to say that Juan would have definitely beat Ralf.....please .........

He was quicker than Ralf all weekend.

Don K · 17 Mar 2002, 09:30 (Ref:237199)

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Originally posted by Damon
Ralf finished 39 secs ahead of JPM in the end. JPM lost 34 secs plus the time spent battling throught the field twice. JPM would have won today.

Would he have been able to pass Michael?
Would he have been able to stay ahead of Rubens?

I think all we can say is that one of the four would have won, provided Coulthard and Raikkonen would have had the same troubles they had in the race.

Raoul Duke · 17 Mar 2002, 09:31 (Ref:237204)

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Originally posted by Damon

He was quicker than Ralf all weekend.

Points count not for Friday or Saturday. Race day is the only day that matters.

f1manoz · 17 Mar 2002, 09:32 (Ref:237208)

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Originally posted by Raoul Duke
Points count not for Friday or Saturday. Race day is the only day that matters.

Yes, and thanks to the FIA, JPM was royally screwed out of ten of those points today.

Mania · 17 Mar 2002, 09:33 (Ref:237211)

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Originally posted by mr v

hiya mania, we meet again

do you honestly think the outcome would have been the same if jpm (and tgf maybe?) had been out front leading and not having to overtake all those slower cars?

i'm not saying your wrong, but it's something that was not a foregone conclusion if the first corner hadn't happened!

(i eagerly await ya reply )

Always a pleasure mr v

I think the outcome WOULD have been the same. Like I pointed out, Ralf was on a 2 stopper and he was 51 seconds ahead of Montoya after pit stops. Montoya, according to ITV and not me, lost 34 seconds with the extra stop and the incident - he was still stopping twice compared to Ralf's one stop.

Ralf would have won. Damon knows it even though he's not admitting it which is fine because we can do the same routine when and if Monty wins a race

Ralf - drove the best race of the afternoon and quite simply won fair and square. The experts agree - the common F1 fans agree - the Ralf fans agree - and the only whiners are some of the die hard Monty fans who cant take losing and are just proving to be real sore losers!

Don K · 17 Mar 2002, 09:33 (Ref:237213)

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Originally posted by Lazarus
Did you miss Australia? apparently it isn't illegal for Ferrari... or else RB would've been penalised in some manner.

Are you suggesting that the FIA should have given Rubens a stop and go penalty after he had left the race?

Piquet · 17 Mar 2002, 09:33 (Ref:237214)

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Originally posted by Don K
So the number two nows he has to choose between staying behind the leader or trying to overtake him on the left side.

YEA - but havn't you heard Don - that move will now get you a penalty if the No.1 guy decides he does not want to let you past!!!

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:33 (Ref:237215)

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Originally posted by Don K
Would he have been able to pass Michael?
Would he have been able to stay ahead of Rubens?

Yes on both counts.

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Originally posted by Raoul Duke
Points count not for Friday or Saturday. Race day is the only day that matters.

He was quicker today too.

Raoul Duke · 17 Mar 2002, 09:37 (Ref:237222)

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Originally posted by Damon

He was quicker today too.

Yeah, and the points really show that don't they?

. Stop with the nitpicking, accept the fact. Ralf won, Ralf beat Montoya, so there!

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Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:38 (Ref:237223)

Who got fastest lap of the race?

Mania · 17 Mar 2002, 09:38 (Ref:237225)

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Originally posted by Damon

He was quicker today too.

Keep dreaming.

Lazarus · 17 Mar 2002, 09:38 (Ref:237226)

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Originally posted by Don K
Are you suggesting that the FIA should have given Rubens a stop and go penalty after he had left the race?

no but a fine or a race ban might of been in order. Brundell even said he changed his mind on that, he said it was Rubens's fault.

Raoul Duke · 17 Mar 2002, 09:41 (Ref:237231)

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Originally posted by Damon
Who got fastest lap of the race?

Wow, ALL of one lap, you don't say

. Now you tell me, who WON the race

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Mr V · 17 Mar 2002, 09:43 (Ref:237235)

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Originally posted by Mania
and the only whiners are some of the die hard Monty fans who cant take losing and are just proving to be real sore losers!

i'm not whining about it, if you'll remember, i said that it was not a foregone conclusion, and again, something we'll never know.

i also said earlier, that rafe deserved to win, as, for whatever reason, he was leading at the end!

calais · 17 Mar 2002, 09:43 (Ref:237236)

if ralf fans are treating this victory as anything but hollow, they are kidding themselves

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