Kiesa ?

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This topic is about Kiesa.
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[Logrence]

It's completely to do with the topic - Kiesa's only marker is his team mate - the illustrious Verstappen.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally posted by Logrence
You haven't answered my question yet, Steve.

Leave him alone. His dreams are not to be denigrated. The fact that Jos the Boss is just a poor rhyme doesn't mean we should ................ oh bugger, just keep it up.

BTW Logwrench, there were questions (plural)

[steve nielsen]

Originally posted by Don K
Was that the race in which Jos had a "pit stop" which took more than a minute?

Yes, they also had problems with the anti stall system wich caused the car to stall 3 times before they(after resteting the system) could get the car going again.

[steve nielsen]

Originally posted by Logrence
If Jos Verstappen is so good, why is he driving a Minardi?

Because most teammanager underrate Jos

Why did he leave Benetton?

He was pleaced at Simtek by Flavio te get more experience(stil payed and even sponsored by Beneton, Simtek also used a Benetton gearbox), maybe it would have ended different if Simtek would have driven the whole 95 season.

Why hasn't he just climbed out of a Jaguar Formula One car?
Because he is'nt british, it was very obvious jag wanted to give the seat to a brit.

These 'diff problems' are a killer, aren't they.
indeed, but there also was the pitstop problem Don mentioned.

[steve nielsen]

here is a nice shot of Jos lapping Nicolas:

[Knowlesy]

Steve, if this is the pleasure you get out of Formula One, good luck to you mate. I must say, the idea of sitting there, looking through Jos Verstappen encyclopedias to see what minor problem got him beaten by Wilson or anyone else is one that bores me.
Is Jos the only person in F1 worth talking about? I seem to think he isn't under-rated, he is average. If you genuinely beleive that he could take on the likes of Alonso, Raikkonen, Montoya et al you are well wide of the mark my friend. He is just an average middle-of-the-grid nobody. And the reason justin Wilson is at Minardi is that he has a lot of potential, whereas jos has reached the peak of his very limited capabilities. So there.
He won't be in F1 next year though, so this kind of Jos favouritism will dissapear from ten-tenths for good!

[steve nielsen]

Jos and his managment are currently negotiating with several teams, also Jordan(Dutch TV even showed one of Jos his managers and the CEO's of his Dutch sponsors going into the Jordan motorhome) and Sauber.

so he will be in F1 next year, probably at a better team.

[paulzinho]

What, testing?

[NiceGuyEddie]

knowlesy> there is really no point in debating with a Verstappenfan. I'm Dutch myself, not impressed with anything Jos has done since december 1993, but still I am surrounded by people who believe he is entitled to anything in F1.

I even had a party at the beginning of the 2002-season, celebrating Jos absence, but he keeps finding ways to claw his way back. This time by coughing up the money, which will be the only way for him to start in 2003. It reminds me of cockroaches, but I take comfort in the knowledge that every F1race he enters, is one more less to go. Is it?

[NiceGuyEddie]

By the way, Trulli got lapped by his teammate as well, and he is already confirmed for 2004!

And can you guess what Hungaroring-rookie got lapped by his teammate 9 years earlier?

[f1manoz]

Kiesa at least keeps it on the road.

[steve nielsen]

Originally posted by f1manoz
Kiesa at least keeps it on the road.

that is a litlle easier when you go that slow.

[corkholio]

Originally posted by steve nielsen
that is a litlle easier when you go that slow.

And he looked like he had a lot of trouble doing that too.

Kiesa's got upside to him but he just ain't ready for this level right now. Give him some time and he can be as "good" as Jos the Boss if not better. Verstappen probably won't get any better but for a pay driver he is not too bad, he just has a bad reputation because fans of a crasher turned Williams championship contender won't let Brazil 01 go.

[jet]

Kiesa is too slow.He was lapped by his teammate
Jos Verstappen.

[Svend]

Kiesa was a lap down without problems, Verstappen a minute down with a whole bunch of problems. Not really a fair comparison NGE.

Another thing, the guy who got lapped 9 years ago did end up in 3rd that race

[Knowlesy]

Oh God. Are you Dutch?

Kiesa is not F1 material so forget him. He's rubbish. His qualifying lap was an embarassment to F1.

[NiceGuyEddie]

Originally posted by Svend

Another thing, the guy who got lapped 9 years ago did end up in 3rd that race

So? How is that an argument against being a lap down to your own teammate?

Having said that, Kiesa is definatly out of his depth. I trully believe even Yoong was quicker, because Alex was compared to likes of Webber and Alonso and did relativly better.

[steve nielsen]

that is an argument: because Schumacher lapped almost the whole field that race.

[Knowlesy]

And the argument continues. Stop the thread. Please.

[NiceGuyEddie]

Originally posted by steve nielsen
that is an argument: because Schumacher lapped almost the whole field that race.

Including his teammate.

Again, whats your point?

He was a rookie at the time? So is Kiesa.
Schumacher was more experienced at the time? Verstappen is far more experienced than that compared to Kiesa.

[NiceGuyEddie]

Originally posted by knowlesy
And the argument continues. Stop the thread. Please.

I know, I know, but ignorance annoys me. It's a true handicap.

[Logrence]

Originally posted by steve nielsen

If Jos Verstappen is so good, why is he driving a Minardi?
Because most teammanager underrate Jos

Why did he leave Benetton?
He was pleaced at Simtek by Flavio te get more experience(stil payed and even sponsored by Beneton, Simtek also used a Benetton gearbox), maybe it would have ended different if Simtek would have driven the whole 95 season.

Why hasn't he just climbed out of a Jaguar Formula One car?
Because he is'nt british, it was very obvious jag wanted to give the seat to a brit.

These 'diff problems' are a killer, aren't they.
indeed, but there also was the pitstop problem Don mentioned.

There is a reason most team managers under-rate Jos Verstappen, and that is because they aren't desperate for money. I am really not surprised that he's talking to Jordan. No wait a minute - he was filmed walking in to their motorhome. He must have a contract already.

So Flavio and Benetton paid another team to get rid of Jos Verstappen?! I never knew that. This gets better!

Justin Wilson was around at the beginning of the F1 season looking for a drive, as were I'm sure a whole heap of British drivers with a little time on their hands. If Jaguar wanted a British driver they could have had their pick of any number of British drivers. I think you'll find they wanted a half decent driver with F1 experience. Niki Lauda was busy so they rang old Justin.

[Peter Mallett]

Um, Who was this thread about?

[Logrence]

Who knows?