Can B.A.R keep it up and challenge? - Page 2

GP Racer · 5 Feb 2004, 17:06 (Ref:864254)

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Originally posted by shiny side up!

I'm curious, though, if people are confident of BAR's performance, or if it is indeed Jenson (or Sato) that they are so sure will deliver this season...

I think both the cars performance, and reliability, along with the performance of both drivers, give's me a reasonable amount of confidence going into the season.

I'm also quite sure that the BAR garage, has to be a happier and more upbeat place to work this year for all involved, and that, will go along way towards making this team better.

Glen · 5 Feb 2004, 17:09 (Ref:864258)

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Originally posted by Red
Hmm, it's close, but not the way that poll is put... I think that Toyota + Jag + BAR will put up a nice fight and seriously challenge Renault. I don't think that any of them will seriously trouble Willy-Beemers, McMercs and Ferrari though. Not yet, that is.

Jaguar won't get close to BAR, I'm reasonably certain of that - they just don't seem to have done much in the way of moving forwards, and their 2003 car already lacked race form. Totyota might surprise, but I think a year or two more will be their time.

ralf fan · 5 Feb 2004, 17:16 (Ref:864264)

agree with Glen... the only reason jag were up there is MARK WEBBER.

Testure · 5 Feb 2004, 17:16 (Ref:864265)

Even if they can become the fourth strongest team, that's still 6 cars with 6 extremely good drivers in front of them. Renault had 5 podiums last year, I don't think BAR can manage that this year. Richards has been seriously talking about challenging the top 3 this year, but I'd be astounded if they've made that kind of progress in just a couple of years. I'm happy to be astounded, though

neilap · 5 Feb 2004, 21:19 (Ref:864554)

My question is: How long? I always hear that teams need more time. BAR has had 5 years. Its time!!

Renault ended 2002 the same way BAR ended 2003. By the following year they were looking like a serious threat for wins, and lived up to it. By Suzuka BAR was going faster than Renault. If they can pick up by where they left off they should be able to scare quite a few people.

Here is something interesting from Atlas ...

The resulting engine is shorter, lower and lighter than the RA003e, and has matched its 2003 Suzuka spec output. Installed in the interim concept car several engines have run to 800km, a claimed first for any team. Since the initial targets have been met and the reliability proven, Honda has set about developing the engine yet further, leading to several failures in testing, all of which were pinpointed to a common part that was lightened too much as Honda pushed the envelope in the search for power.

Rennen · 5 Feb 2004, 22:53 (Ref:864699)

None of us has a crystal ball...B.A.R has made a good step forward for sure...but it's only relative to the step made by the other teams...whatever! It's looking good :-)

GP Racer · 6 Feb 2004, 14:53 (Ref:865495)

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Originally posted by neilap
My question is: How long? I always hear that teams need more time. BAR has had 5 years. Its time!!
.

Your right Neil, it is time, and I think they know it.

Thats the reason that JV is gone IMHO. They knew, for alot of reasons, that he wasn't going to get the job done there. His time with that team had passed, and it was time for some real changes to be made, and to there credit, they made the big, and mostly unpopular, decision to can JV.

By all appearances, and I know its early, there seems to be a real optomistic feeling going on around the BAR team, that this year, could really be the year they've been waiting for. They feel they can compete with the big-boys on a regular basis, and I'm starting to buy into that feeling as well...

MRJUCY · 7 Feb 2004, 07:51 (Ref:866143)

I think the top 3 will remain but the next group will be alot closer to one another then they have been.

neilap · 7 Feb 2004, 16:57 (Ref:866442)

An interview with DR sets their goals in proper perspective. Midia bites have made it seem the team is making overly bold predictions. In reality they are stating what they want to accomplish, not what they expect. DR is sensible enough to know if they can make big steps forward so can the others but relative to last years car he feels this is their best car yet. Honda has also finally made their own gearbox. Now we can blame Honda if there are gearbox failures. Everyone blames the motors for last years failures but truth be told it was the replaced unit that was the issue. Yes the one made by X-trac.

DR said he has a 5 year plan. This is his third year so in two years he expects the title. I hope he is correct. The top three are not infallable, Mac in fact, are looking a little weak at the moment.

hamsmith · 7 Feb 2004, 18:31 (Ref:866494)

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Originally posted by ElScOrChO
I think that in a couple of races, they will be able to fight with Ferrari,Williams and McLaren.

And all the other races, they will be able to fight with Renault.

Get real! bar will barley finish races. all jensons engines will blow before the chequered flag and sato will throw the car into a gravel trap or wall before the engine starts to warm up.

GP Racer · 7 Feb 2004, 21:13 (Ref:866600)

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Originally posted by hamsmith
Get real! bar will barley finish races. all jensons engines will blow before the chequered flag and sato will throw the car into a gravel trap or wall before the engine starts to warm up.

Now there's a voice of optimism...

neilap · 8 Feb 2004, 00:05 (Ref:866726)

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Originally posted by GP Racer
Now there's a voice of optimism...

... and a voice of intellect too

Led ZeppF1 · 9 Feb 2004, 08:31 (Ref:867862)

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Originally posted by Red
I think that Toyota + Jag + BAR will put up a nice fight and seriously challenge Renault.

Agree. BAR will defend their 5th standing in championship, and close the gap from Renault.

But, its no way to challenge the big three.

Space Hopper · 10 Feb 2004, 18:24 (Ref:869724)

Yes, for 3 reasons.
1: The main cost is no longer a cost. (Villeneuve)
2

id you ever see Jenson and Taku in F3. Both awesome!!!
3: By the SOUNDS of things reliability has been at least half sorted.
Good luck B.A.R, I will be supporting them.
Cant wait till melbourne

neilap · 10 Feb 2004, 22:35 (Ref:870019)

Ahhh SH welcome. The crew is growing!

Since BAR were the only ones running light today they set the fast time again

More importantly they have run a good amount of laps trouble free!

F1Joey · 12 Feb 2004, 11:08 (Ref:871681)

Come on! BAR will be eating burnt tire rubber this year. Do you really think that BAR can progress from breaking down almost every race last year to become extremely fast and reliable with the new ONE ENGINE RULE ? As Yoda would say, "Breaking down they will, BAR has mmmmmm."

F1Joey · 12 Feb 2004, 11:15 (Ref:871687)

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BAR will challenge Renault.

Sorry, can't keep a straight face.

Glen · 12 Feb 2004, 11:45 (Ref:871728)

Little bit sore about the JV situation are we?

GP Racer · 12 Feb 2004, 14:01 (Ref:871960)

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Originally posted by Glen
Little bit sore about the JV situation are we?

Took the words right out of my mouth Glen!

Wrex · 15 Nov 2004, 00:13 (Ref:1153574)

A couple of my favorite quotes

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Originally posted by Mr V
Not sure they will be able to challenge Renault for 4th, but they will be a much improved team from last season and easily hold onto 5th spot in the WCC.

Quote:

Originally posted by Red
I think that Toyota + Jag + BAR will put up a nice fight and seriously challenge Renault. I don't think that any of them will seriously trouble Willy-Beemers, McMercs and Ferrari though. Not yet, that is.

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Originally posted by Led ZeppF1
Agree. BAR will defend their 5th standing in championship, and close the gap from Renault.

But, its no way to challenge the big three.

classic stuff

ralf fan · 15 Nov 2004, 05:44 (Ref:1153678)

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Originally posted by Space Hopper
Yes, for 3 reasons.
1: The main cost is no longer a cost. (Villeneuve)
2id you ever see Jenson and Taku in F3. Both awesome!!!
3: By the SOUNDS of things reliability has been at least half sorted.
Good luck B.A.R, I will be supporting them.
Cant wait till melbourne

NOw that is an accurate post!

Red · 15 Nov 2004, 08:05 (Ref:1153713)

Damn you Wrex!

But I was right, wasn't I? BAR did put up a nice fight agains Renault! I only missed in minor details, like in "for 4th", Toyota and Jag too.. Actually if we count them all I slightly missed the Willy and McMerc part, but other than that I was 100% spot on!

PS: Excellent idea to top those 'predictions' threads!

Glen · 15 Nov 2004, 09:51 (Ref:1153785)

The question now of course is, can they keep it up?

I'm not so sure - McLaren are re-grouping pretty well, Williams ain't gonna lie down (and they will have Webber) and the Renault will still be in there. So - possibly a slightly less impressive year... more of a consolidation year than a leap forward.

There are some gems in this thread, by the way - mostly derived from bitterness over the JV affair rather than sound reasoning. Also some wild speculation about Jaguar and Toyota.

ralf fan · 15 Nov 2004, 09:55 (Ref:1153790)

This is what he replied to the quote "BAR will challenge Renault"

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Originally posted by F1Joey
Sorry, can't keep a straight face.

IM sure you can keep a straight face now!!

Rennen · 15 Nov 2004, 10:50 (Ref:1153833)

Nice one Wrex!...I got the right vibes back then tho!..Hahaha

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