The Grand Prix of Canada

[Gt_R]

It's silly. If Ferrari ordered RB to sit back, i don't think RB would start to take the inside and stuffs that near MS.

It's quite obvious that both drivers are allowed to race 'as long as it is sensible', RB didn't take un-needed risk, and MS didn't make it difficult in his defending drive (watch the race - MS only took the normal racing line and left plenty of room).

On the otherhand, we want Ferrari to let their drivers race without orders, yet complain when MS/Ferrari didn't "let RB through".. ? :confused:

It's simply a great performance from Ferrari who convincingly beat their rival's best efforts. Celebrate it

[pole2pole]

Oh come on it was plane to see that RB had a far quicker car

[Kicking-back]

Difficult to say.

Michael could've gone quicker if he needed to, and Rubens was the one who had an off, not him.

[ralf fan]

but at the end Ferrari did win!!! it didnt compromise the team....

AFter the race Rubens's excitment i think he generally was happy for MS and not angry about Ferrari not releasing him...

[Gt_R]

Yes, NOBODY denied RB had a faster car.

But at a time when critics complain how Ferrari should do away with team orders, isn't it strange that the same people complain that RB isn't "waved by"?

If Ferrari had ordered RB to stick behind MS, RB won't have been allowed to do what he did all over the arse of MS. And it's pretty plane obvious that both drivers were careful in their mini-contest.

In the race, i was also questioning why no orders were given (or rather, i was expecting RB to be waved by) for RB to be given a clear run...but after the 2nd round of pitstops, it's quite obvious to us that who ever was ahead before the last pitstop would have won the race, and it would be strange if Ferrari indeed intervene and dictate the race winner at that point where both drivers are close and had a fair chance.

In any case, both drivers are impressive today and whoever wins, he's a deserved winner.

[Dutch chap]

Originally posted by Phoenix1
Any news on Jordan mechanic?

According to dutch TV the mechanic is fine, just some bruises on his hands.

[f1manoz]

Rather boring race despite the result being a surprise (you'd never that to say that with a TGF win....)

Ralf was good, Rubens good, the rest pretty much nowhere. Button was a disappointment.

My driver of the race - Fisichella. More points for the Sauber driver in 6th. He's making a habit of this!

[ralf fan]

and besides isnt team orders something we cursed at the start

[Dutch chap]

Congrats to mr. Brawn. It was great (again) to see him handling his puppet. No need to let your puppet do any overtaking. It can all be done on strategy.

[Gt_R]

Looking at the driver MS had been close enough to overtake, i actually think it's wise that MS keeps a distance and wait

Of course, not forgetting that RB overtook Kimi, and besides that, there are few overtaking moves among the top drivers... all are puppets maybe ?

[freud]

Great drive by Rubens... by far the driver of the race. Pity he was blocked by TGF for quite a few laps otherwise he would've definitely won or finished second.

Ralf drove a good and sensible race as well. This must be a big relief and couldnt have come at a better time for him.

I was a bit disappointed by BAR. Sato's engine blew up again and overall they didnt have the pace for a podium finish.

[gert]

hhmm...

the race could have been better.
i was excited after qualifying when Ferrari were only 6th and 7th.

I thought that would mean:
a) an unexpected (= non-Ferrari) win
b) a great race with actual overtaking.

And what did we get?
Ferrari wins.
Was there actually ANY overtaking on track?

I am slightly disappointed...

[pole2pole]

I thing that RB had the car and also the right stragety to win the gp.....as i say a complete joke

[KaiserSose]

Oh, waaaa!

So Rubens is gonna pass MS for postition, when passing for position was virtually unseen in this race?

It would have taken a brazen move, surely not something a team wants to see happen between team-mates. I guess they could play the Ralf and Juan game and take each other off the track.

Both Ferraris had the right car and strategy to win the race. I guess Rubens just didn't have the grid postiion to get the P1 finish........he could have had P2 if not for the late race bobble. Now if Rubens DID outqualify MS, and Ferrari engineered a tactic to swap his position with MS, THEN you folks would have a good reason to whine.

As it stands, I guess having a good reason is no prerequisite.

[Kicking-back]

I'm amazed at the number of people who think Rubens should've won the race.

Can't see it, really.

[Gt_R]

KB, actually i could.

It's quite simple, if RB had managed to get pass MS and pull a small gap, he could have easily came out ahead of MS after their last pits (ahead of JPM/Button).

Unfortunately, RB didnt get pass and it's because both drivers were sensible and mature enough to fight in a controlled manner without risking each other's race.

And the final nail is the off he had where he ran wide... Still a good drive from Rubens, one of the more convincing performance this year

[enemy-ace]

Michael Schumacher:- "With Rubens, obviously, it was a lot more critical had he overtaken me and pulled out a gap, although I had a lot more fuel on board to stay out longer. Knowing that, who knows what would have worked out? We had a hard fight, it was very tight into the last corner but I just managed to keep in front."

Considering that Michael had more fuel on board, he would have been able to run longer and put in some of those famous quick laps that he is known for. So I don't think that if he had let Rubens through that Rubens would have been able to 'easily' come out ahead of Michael. Though it was nice to see Ferrari not playing the team orders game, I do find it somewhat ironic that when they don't employ 'team orders' that it works against Rubens. If the roles were reversed whatever would they have done?

[grumpy1]

If the roles were reversed Rubans would have been ordered to give way by making a stupid mistake to hide the fact.
Time Mosley stopped try to change the rules and started to enforce the ones that are there.
Oh sorry they don't apply to Ferrari/MS.

The Grumpy1

[Gt_R]

Well well...FIA enforced the rules and guess who were caught?

[Gt_R]

Well well...FIA enforced the rules and guess who were caught?

[climb]

Originally posted by gert
hhmm...

the race could have been better.
i was excited after qualifying when Ferrari were only 6th and 7th.

I thought that would mean:
a) an unexpected (= non-Ferrari) win
b) a great race with actual overtaking.
...

How come could you predict somethign like that?
a) After MS stunning 1st free session, it was largely expectable that such a gap in quals be down to fuel strategy.
b) Canada GP has never been, at least in the latest years, an overtaking race; this yea we have had one real overtake (Rubens on Kimi), one more than lastyear, probably.


On the ocntray, what I said about the importance of finding the best tactics has been confirmed.

[Kicking-back]

In a way, the race was exciting, because the winner was not who many expected it to be after qualifying.

[pole2pole]

I had an idea Michael would have won the race. In qualifying he had a good clean lap but was over a second of the pace so it was clear to see that they where trying something different. There is not another team on the grid at the moment that can match ferrari for race pace. All he had to do was stay in touch with the front pack and somewhere along the way he would jump them all. Rubens had a lighter fuel load but in qualifying made a mistake on his lap which put him behind Michael. It was easy to see that Rubens was armed with the better strategy and was being held up by Michael lap after lap which is a pitty cause Rubens had the right strategy to win the race and i think ferrari knew that. I guess they thought it better to keep rubens behind Michael rather tan trying to get Michael passed rubens later on in the race

[f1atic]

Originally posted by knowlesy
Here lies the stupidity of Ferrari team orders....let Rubens go!

Some would argue that to be proof of a 'let'em race' with no team orders stance.

Any way one looks at it though, Rubens was quicker for a time and it probably would not have affected Michael's result to let him run those last few laps before the pit stop a little quicker. Michael was holding him up a bit and it actually cost him second (regardless of the Williams screwup).

[BIGMOUTH]

I hate Ferrari and the way they don't let their drivers race! Come on - does Schuey really need those two extra points that he got from finishing 1st as opposed to 2nd?? I think not!!!