The next new winner - Page 2

MRJUCY · 22 Dec 2004, 06:36 (Ref:1185626)

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Button but I think Webber will get there first as I feel the Williams will be a better car then the BAR in 05.

RWC · 22 Dec 2004, 06:43 (Ref:1185628)

Button SHOULD be the first choice for this but who knows how things will pan out.

Mark webber is the next most likely.In fact one can say mark is a dead set certainty for a win but *when* is the question
-it'll depend on when the car gets competitive,that might be '05,it might not.
I could see nick grabing a win if several things come together.I can't imagine pizzonia doing the same with similar breaks.
Fisi would be a super popular winner

Mark Webber · 22 Dec 2004, 06:54 (Ref:1185632)

Webber for sure I think Nick may get one to if he is in a williams
I don't think Jenson will

flor · 22 Dec 2004, 07:23 (Ref:1185636)

Webber and Heidfeld...hopefully

Kicking-back · 22 Dec 2004, 07:41 (Ref:1185640)

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Originally Posted by RWC

Fisi would be a super popular winner

Possibly - but he's already won one.

Sodemo · 22 Dec 2004, 09:18 (Ref:1185684)

What makes people think anyone but Schumacher will win all the races...

Armco Bender · 22 Dec 2004, 09:23 (Ref:1185689)

I like a longshot so my monies on Klien to pull off a surprise win.

climb · 22 Dec 2004, 09:27 (Ref:1185692)

Webber, Sato

Led ZeppF1 · 22 Dec 2004, 10:12 (Ref:1185725)

JB, MW, and NH, (assuming he has a drive).... in that order.

krt917 · 22 Dec 2004, 13:12 (Ref:1185868)

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Originally Posted by Super Tourer

I'm tempted to say Fizzi, so he can enjoy a win properly, with a podium ceremony and champers, rather than that fumble over the line in Brazil which was lost in all the confusion, followed by a trophy handover on the grid a couple of weeks later - a very unpleasing way to score your first win, surely.

I agree. I don't think anyone would begrudge Fisi a 'proper' win, though at least he's in the record books.

Button's win is now overdue, Webber hasn't yet had a decent chance but will probably take it when one comes along, and I wouldn't be overly surprised if Heidfeld got there first!

I also reckon we have got one of the nmost promising looking line-ups in driver talent for a while - with most people in the right place.

Of course, it really does all hinge on how good everyone is in relation to Ferrari; it might take those named above a while...

luke · 22 Dec 2004, 13:16 (Ref:1185872)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

What makes people think anyone but Schumacher will win all the races...

Belive me he won't, he will struggle to even win. Mclaren and BAR will be the teams to beat.

Kicking-back · 22 Dec 2004, 13:19 (Ref:1185878)

We can but hope!

luke · 22 Dec 2004, 13:21 (Ref:1185883)

Hope is part of it, but I honestly feel this will happen, Mclaren have been good historicaly at adapting to new rules, BAR are on the up, and both teams have a very strong line up.
Ferrari will not rein much longer, and it will end like this.

RWC · 22 Dec 2004, 14:26 (Ref:1185955)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

What makes people think anyone but Schumacher will win all the races...

Seriously...once he wraps up the title he will go 'brain dead' ,leaving others to pick up the scraps.
But there are other odd situations where others can occasionally break through

It does make one wonder.What if -towards the end of the season- michael had won every race so far but rhubins needed help to grab 2nd in the WDC...

would ferrari get shu to help rhuby,or might they be tempted to go for a record that may never be broken? (having a driver win every race of a season)
I tend to think they would go for the record and work out some other way of 'paying back' rhubins for his help

Inigo Montoya · 22 Dec 2004, 15:19 (Ref:1185971)

Button. Fisi will be a regular on the podium, but the top step looks to be reserved for Schummi once again.

Tiptop · 22 Dec 2004, 15:54 (Ref:1185991)

Heidfield should win one as I think in my opinion he is a far better driver than Webber.
Jenson should get a win if the 2005 BAR is slightly better than this years although I think they might struggle against the Macs and williams in '05

Yep my money is on Heidfield if he gets the Williams drive

429CJ · 22 Dec 2004, 17:23 (Ref:1186057)

Motoya beat Heidfeld on F3000, he won four GP:s for Williams in four seasons,so, I say, Heidfeld has a very slight change to win a race for Williams this year.
Button will be the 1st new winner this season.

SKWei · 22 Dec 2004, 22:31 (Ref:1186321)

I think Webber can do the job in Melbourne, but can we trust Williams to give him a fast, reliable car for the first race? So maybe a BAR, with all their "concept car" testing, will be there to take the first non-Italian win if Ferrari don't get the F2004 updated quite right (big IF!) and then Button is the obvious choice, isn't he?

Skam85 · 25 Dec 2004, 04:22 (Ref:1187730)

I think both BAR drivers will win next year, but I have a feeling Sato will do it first. At the USA GP to be precise. Jense following up with a home win a few weeks later.....

As for the others, I can see Michael, Rubens, Kimi, Juan all winning races. Alonso may pick up a win, while Fisi is always quick at Canada (look at his record). Webber I can see picking up lots of podiums, maybe with a win in Monza, Monaco or China. I really hope Nick gets the Williams seat, he will be on par with Webber. I can't see Pizzonia on the podium more that twice if he gets the drive.

Watch out for the Toyota's. Two strong drivers in a decent car can always spring a surprise. Sauber may get a podium or two, but I can't see them winning a race. Same with Red Bull, I can see DC getting a nice load of points, maybe 20 or so with Klien helping out well but they would need a MIRACLE and I mean, MIRACLE.

Minardi will struggle to get points while Jordan are an unknown for me, they could be challenging the Saubers and Red Bull's or be struggling to beat Minardi. All depends on their line up. Possibly Briscoe and Verstappen could be the strongest possible/available....

Bellof · 25 Dec 2004, 08:11 (Ref:1187760)

button is overdue, but since he couldn't do it in the 2nd best car- and I don't see bar keeping that position-, I also go for nick and mark.

luke · 25 Dec 2004, 09:19 (Ref:1187766)

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Originally Posted by Bellof

button is overdue, but since he couldn't do it in the 2nd best car- and I don't see bar keeping that position-, I also go for nick and mark.

Although Nick and Mark have talent, and are maybe future stars, there not established in my opionon.

Christian Klein how ever I believe will be the future winner. This year he didn't have much sucsess, 3 points to Mark's 7.
But the Jaguar was no Ferrari.
But he's had great battles, Bahrain this year, in the opening laps with Raikkonen.
But he showed promise in the later part of the year.

Don K · 25 Dec 2004, 10:52 (Ref:1187777)

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Originally Posted by 429CJ

Motoya beat Heidfeld on F3000, he won four GP's for Williams in four seasons,so, I say, Heidfeld has a very slight change to win a race for Williams this year.

Montoya finished 2nd in F3000 in his 6th year racing in cars, and he won F3000 in his seventh year (23 years old).

Heidfeld finished 2nd in F3000 in his 5th year racing in cars, and he won F3000 in his 6th year (22 years old).

So I would expect Heildfeld to do better than Montoya at Williams.

ASCII Man · 25 Dec 2004, 11:07 (Ref:1187779)

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Originally Posted by luke

Although Nick and Mark have talent, and are maybe future stars, there not established in my opionon.

Christian Klein how ever I believe will be the future winner.

Hmmm, odd prediction to say the least...
Nick and Mark are seemingly being dismissed as the next future winners, even though they are driving a top car and their talents are quite obvious.

But then you predict a guy who didn't impress all that much in either lower formulae or F1, and drives for a new-ish team, which originates from a team who never set the world on fire in terms of performance (we'll have to look back to 2001/2002 with Irvine's 2 podium finishes, or even further back still, to the Nürbürgring in 1999, when they were still called Stewart, for a sign of competitiveness..), as the most likely candidate for future non-Ferrari wins.

I wouldn't know really since I have a cold, but there's quite a fishy smell about this prediction...

But HEY, I predicted Jacques Villeneuve for future winner, so it's allright I guess!

Bellof · 25 Dec 2004, 11:40 (Ref:1187787)

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Christian Klein how ever I believe will be the future winner.

considering his car (IF he get's it) at least that's courageous...;-)

luke · 25 Dec 2004, 12:39 (Ref:1187800)

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Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Hmmm, odd prediction to say the least...
Nick and Mark are seemingly being dismissed as the next future winners, even though they are driving a top car and their talents are quite obvious.

But then you predict a guy who didn't impress all that much in either lower formulae or F1, and drives for a new-ish team, which originates from a team who never set the world on fire in terms of performance (we'll have to look back to 2001/2002 with Irvine's 2 podium finishes, or even further back still, to the Nürbürgring in 1999, when they were still called Stewart, for a sign of competitiveness..), as the most likely candidate for future non-Ferrari wins.

I wouldn't know really since I have a cold, but there's quite a fishy smell about this prediction...

But HEY, I predicted Jacques Villeneuve for future winner, so it's allright I guess!

Mark and Nick are good drivers, don't get me wrong, I just feel there not a very strong line up.
And I also feel that the Williams will be a mid-field competitor.
I also belive both will have little sucess in 2005, but I certanily hope not.

But I'm obviously the only yone who feels Klein is a future talent.

Only time will tell.

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